TO HARVEY SMITH DATE 03-18-91 RM=+gt;It's been my experience that the curiosity is already

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FROM: MISTER ZEN TO: HARVEY SMITH DATE: 03-18-91 RM=>It's been my experience that the curiosity is already there to RM=>begin with. Better they get it from someone with ethics than from RM=>Christian parents try to forbid them, it's just going to make the RM=>knowledge that much more desirable. BB Rowan >Hummmm, welll as a parent who raised two children, i would just have to >disagree with that completely. >Better the children hear it from their parents then from someone trying to >evoke curiousity...My children never thought of witches ie witchcraft >etc.. until a witch visited their school. Then we sat down and had a nice >discussion about it, and it was then moot point... And the witches never >came back to the school for we certainly as parents had our rights to >complain and complain we did... For a change, I agree completely with you, Harvey. I would raise as big a stink if children of mine came home and told me that a XXXXXXXXX religious person had come on campus and preached the gospel to them (substitute the name of ANY religion, including Wicca, for XXXXXXXXX). Religion does not belong in public schools. There are parochial schools and private schools aplenty for those who want their children to have religious schooling. I would want my children to be exposed to all religions from the standpoint of learning about them (like in a history class), but I would not allow them to be subjected to manipulation of that sort. I can imagine three circumstances where a Wiccan might be invited to a public school, and I find two of them to be without merit: 1. The Wiccans were invited as a "curiosity," i.e. "Look, kids, there really are witches! (gasp)!" You can imagine why I might have an aversion to that. "Look kids, a Dominican and a Witch! Quick, Johnny, make a wish! Anybody remember to bring the marshmallows?" "Ooh, look, a real live Jesuit! Blaspheme for us, pleeeeease?" 2. The Wiccans were invited as representatives of their religion - which completely violates the concept of separation of Church and State. Wiccans are usually outspoken defenders of Civil Rights - so what's sauce for the goose should be sauce for the gander. 3. Some High Schools have "World's Religions" classes, usually under the auspices of the History department. If Wicca were presented in the same context as Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Jainism, Confucianism, et al, then and only then would I have no objection. Close inspection by parents should be welcomed by the school board to ensure that the religious speakers present only "This is what we believe," rather than "here's why you should be like us." In Colorado, the state Supreme Court recently struck down a ruling prohibiting religious groups from handing out literature ON CAMPUS! I have seen no Wiccan literature, but I have seen a bit of JW, Fundamentalist, LDS, Dianeticist (?) and White Supremacist literature being spread around in the hallways, which the schools now have no power to prohibit. The only prohibition it must be done by students of the school, and the people handing out pamphlets may not obstruct a child's ingress or egress to or from the school, or to and from classes. I despise this little void in our state legislative system - how do you feel about this? If it is legal to hand out Christian literature in public schools in Colorado, should it then be OK to hand out, say, neo-Nazi hate literature as well? And, if not, then who should decide? ===[---Mister-Zen--- P.S. Harvey, this may be on a different topic, but I thought I'd throw it in: last week, my wife and I attended the Colorado Symphony and enjoyed a lovely evening of Vivaldi. At the intermission, we had wine in the lobby and I saw that there were orthodox Jews there as well, wearing their yamulkes (sp?). I remember thinking that, even with the recent hostilities in the Gulf, there were probably Muslims in the audience as well; and wasn't it nice that we could all sit down together and enjoy the music. Well, my feeling of rapport was short-lived. Due to on-going construction, the entire audience is forced to walk through a narrow gauntlet to leave the area. There, posted where none could escape his unholy wrath, was a (seemingly) Christian hate-monger, spreading his vile filth where none could escape it. The man called us all fornicators, liars, and lusters after the Whore of Babylon, at the top of his lungs, baptizing nearby unfortunates with his saliva, such was the force of his oratory. All of us, Jewish, Muslim, Pagan, Christian and so on! Needless to say, my evening (and temperament) was spoiled. How sad. Sir, where I was raised, to call one's wife a vile name is to earn a punch in the mouth. As my father used to say, "Them's fightin' words!" It was only my wife's intervention that prevented me from dispatching the foul miscreant on the spot. What say you to this? I realize the this man might not be of the sort whom YOU would consider a true Christian, but I have NEVER IN MY LIFE been accosted by a Pagan of any stripe in this manner.

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