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This is some more of various threads from the CULT WATCH and MAGICKNET conferences. Within is the beginning of the persecution that CULT WATCH's moderator, Matthew Dunham, has perpetrated on Rowan Moonstone. It's a sad tale, but one that bears repeating because there are a lot of Matt Dunhams around. Walk in beauty....Michelle Klein-Hass, compiler of the X-Hate series Msg#: 955 *BULLETIN BOARD* 06/18/88 23:15:00 (Read 5 Times) From: MATTHEW DUNHAM To: NEW BBS'S Subj: WELCOME Welcome to you new BBS's that are now carrying this Echo!!! As you will notice the conversation goes in spurts. Presently we are discussing several religions..... Mormonism, Baha'i ism, Goddess-ism. We have active participants from Texas, California, Wisconsin, Indianna, as well as other Cities here in Oklahoma. We even have a Witch participating on occassion by the name of Rowan Moonstone. This is a very young echo but is rapidly getting bigger by the day. Please do not hesitate to introduce yourself to everyone and take an active role in the discussions. You are NOT butting in when you join a conversation! So jump right in you all!!! We here at ROCK ISLAND (on) LINE intend to defend the word of God to the best of our ability. Right now there are no rules.... I hope to be able to continue this practice!! Please do not tollerate vague or intended foul language. If everyone will be sure to send the guilty party a note, I am sure they will quit (one way or the other).... but other than that, as long as there is no obvious repeat Flames from an individual there are no rules.... I reserve the right to make rules as the need arises. Police yourselves and there will be no more rules... ok? :) Also we are starting a `Smiley face contest' you know :) well here is my entry \|;-<0) Winking Frenchman with Nothing to say! Winner gets (drum role please ##################@^!) An all expense paid trip to their own backyard for a drink from the hose on a hot day! Please come back!! I bid you all Peace & Completeness! Shalom, ....matthew --- QuickBBS v2.01 * Origin: Rock Island (on) Line - Newalla, Ok.- (405)391-9488 (1:147/3) Please do not hesitate to introduce yourself to everyone and take an active role in the discussions. You are NOT butting in when you join a conversation! So jump right in you all!!! I and some of my local users have been Defending the Gospel, ALONE, for Quit Some time Now. WE ARE BECOMMING OUTNUMBERED BY THE CULTISTS! PLEASE COME TO CHRIST'S AID! ....matthew --- QuickBBS v2.01 * Origin: Rock Island (on) Line - Newalla, Ok.- (405)391-9488 (1:147/3) Msg#: 1302 *BULLETIN BOARD* 07/07/88 15:52:00 (Read 3 Times) From: BRAD HICKS To: MATTHEW DUNHAM Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 1201 (RE: WELCOME) MD> Goddess-ism "Goddess-ism" isn't a word. "Goddess-worship" might be, but it's inadequate and inaccurate. Try "Paganism," or if you want to get your facts exactly straight, "Neopaganism" or "Neopagan Wicca" or "Neopagan Witchcraft." MD> We even have a Witch participating on occassion by MD> the name of Rowan Moonstone. Addendum: at least =two= Witches. And thank you for capitalizing the word! MD> WE ARE BECOMMING OUTNUMBERED BY THE CULTISTS! Has it occurred to you yet that the people you are labelling "cultists" have more to fear from you than you do from them? This country's developing a lynch-mob atmosphere about non-Christian religion, that feels a lot like McCarthyism. --- Sirius 0.50 * Origin: WeirdBase * St. Louis * 1-314-741-2231 * (Opus 1:100/523) Msg#: 1311 *BULLETIN BOARD* 07/09/88 08:26:00 (Read 4 Times) From: MATTHEW DUNHAM To: BRAD HICKS Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 1302 (RE: WELCOME) > MD> Goddess-ism > > "Goddess-ism" isn't a word. "Goddess-worship" might be, > but it's inadequate and inaccurate. Try "Paganism," or if > you want to get your facts exactly straight, "Neopaganism" > or "Neopagan Wicca" or "Neopagan Witchcraft." > > MD> We even have a Witch participating on occassion by > MD> the name of Rowan Moonstone. > > Addendum: at least =two= Witches. And thank you for > capitalizing the word! > > MD> WE ARE BECOMMING OUTNUMBERED BY THE CULTISTS! > > Has it occurred to you yet that the people you are > labelling "cultists" have more to fear from you than you do > from them? This country's developing a lynch-mob > atmosphere about non-Christian religion, that feels a lot > like McCarthyism. Well, It looks like we have found you rather defensive today, havn't we. I wonder why that is? What is it exactly you have to fear from me or others like me? I Havn't been over to your house Burning Crosses in your front yard this week! This echo is here to show those interested that there really are witches, as well as all of the manifestations of satan and the dark side of religion. Thank you for proving my point. We are here on this echo to help YOU see the errors of your beliefs so you can enherit eternal life with us in Christ instead of burning for eternity in Hell. Of course it is still your choice. ....matthew --- QuickBBS v2.01 * Origin: Rock Island (on) Line - Newalla, Ok.- (405)391-9488 (1:147/3) Msg#: 2018 *BULLETIN BOARD* 07/07/88 16:09:00 (Read 0 Times) From: BRAD HICKS To: MATTHEW DUNHAM Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 1870 (RE: 22) > 2. Non-Christian Cult defined: I don't want to pick a fight, but remember, I am interested in seeing where you get your "facts" from. May I hold you to the definition you gave of "cult"? If so, I can demonstrate with zero effort that Neopagan Wicca is NOT a cult. Now, keep in mind that as stated, a Non-Christian Cult has =all= of these characteristics. If this is so, I can demonstrate that =any one= of them does not apply to Neopagan Wicca, then you may not call Neopagan Wicca a Non-Christian Cult -- by your own definitions. In fact, I will demonstrate that =none= of these characterizations apply to Neopagan Wicca. > a. They adhere to MAJOR doctrines which are pointedly > contradictory to orthodox Christianity, while claiming origins or > harmony with Christianity. Half fact, half falsehood. It is quite true that the "MAJOR doctrines" (such as there are any) of Neopagan Wicca are at least apparently contradictory to "orthodox Christianity" (whatever that may be). However, you will go all your life without finding a single Neopagan Witch who claims that we have Christian origins - and at =best=, =some= Christians may be in "harmony" with us, where matters such as survival for the whole human species dictate common-sense. If we wanted to be Christians, we'd be Christians. > b. They are always built, not on what the Bible teaches, but > upon what the FOUNDER(S) of the cult say the Bible teaches and > they thrive on ignorance and uncertainity. Well, this one's a hard one to test because Witchcraft has its ultimate origin about 10,000 years before the invention of written language. Ignorance? Uncertainty? Wanna compare the scholarship of any ten Christians chosen at random with the average coven, in terms of total education or religious education (take your pick)? And Neopagan Witchcraft is not based on what =anyone= says the Bible teaches, but on theories that can be validated by simple experiment. > c. They use Bible quotations out of context. (example: They > quote the Bible as saying it is OKAY to disobey God - but neglect > to point out that this is a direct quote from SATAN that was > printed in the Bible. Trivially disposed of. Neopagan Witches don't quote the Christian Bible for any meaningful purpose, as we don't accept it as an ultimate authority. > 1. THEY PROFESS TO HAVE THE ONLY TRUE CHURCH DOCTRINE > b. Do they claim that "Truth is Everywhere and ALL religions > seek after truth!" I have yet to find a Neopagan Witch who talked about Ultimate Truth (let alone any kind of "Church Doctrine"). Neopagan Witchcraft is not a set of beliefs, it's a practice. It is defined not by any set of doctrines, but by myths (which need not be believed) and by rituals. (My own "denomination" - we say "tradition" - of Discordianism teaches that capital-T "Truth" is probably not understandable or visible to creatures who filter their inputs through their preconceptions, like human beings.) > 2. THEY STEAL MEMBERS FROM OTHER CHRISTIAN CHURCHES > a. Whom do they seek to convert? > People on skid row? > The natives of Java? Sounds like every form of Christianity I know - but Neopagans don't proseltyze, PERIOD. In fact, it's rather a difficult challenge to find a coven that will accept you, one that involves years of study and research and yes, hard work before any coven will acknowledge that you even exist. Seek to convert? Don't make me laugh; most of us wouldn't want the vast ignorant majority of mankind inside our Circles. > 3. THEY ADD THEIR OWN REVELATIONS TO THOSE OF THE > BIBLE AND/OR SCRIPTURES See above. > 4. THEY DO ALL OF YOUR THINKING FOR YOU On the contrary, we =require= our own to think, and challenge them to defend their beliefs any time they put them forth. Not even our loftiest media stars, people like Margot Adler or Isaac Bonewits or Starhawk, are immune to questioning. (In fact, you'll be hard-pressed to find a Witch who agrees with 100% of what =anyone= in the Craft says. If you find two people in the Craft who agree on more than 50%, you've found a remarkable thing!) > 5. THEY BELIEVE IN SALVATION BY GRACE > -= PLUS =- Witches don't in general believe in damnation, so we don't believe in "salvation" by =anything=. Most of us believe that our OWN harmful actions invoke "negative karma" (I'll join with the growing crowd who prefer to throw out Hindu mysticism and just use the word "consequences"), so perhaps there is something in this life that you might need "salvation" from, if you're an axe-murderer or some such. However, the vast majority of us believe that =that= kind of salvation is impossible, that you =always= experience the results of your actions (helpful =and= harmful) -- three-fold. > 6. WHAT CHARACTERISTICS OF THEIRS DO THEY "SELL"? See above under "proseltyzing." We don't "sell" anything. > 7. HOPSCOTCH THROUGH THE BIBLE See above under "Bible." Why would we bother? > 8. THEY CHANGE THE DEFINITIONS OF WORDS You have a specific accusation? > 9. THEY HAVE "ANOTHER Jesus" We have no "Jesus" in the sense that you do - except to note that in actual mythological terms, Jesus is just another dead-and-risen agriculture deity, and not very remarkable as such. Had the Christian Mysteries not enlisted military aid and suppressed all other faiths, doubtless now we'd have Bible thumpers telling us that Dionysus Saves. I would pursue this argument farther, but I promised not to argue against Christianity. Accept for now that Neopagan Witches would flee en masse from even the suggestion that we needed "ANY Jesus." > 10. FINAL AND 'SADDEST' OF ALL TRAITS > The saddest of all the traits that can signal a CULT is the > OTHER JESUS doctrine. See above. So you see, by your own definition, Neopagan Witchcraft is =NOT= a cult. Now for the real surprise -- that's also exactly what the largest anti-cult Christian ministry in the United States, the Spiritual Counterfeits Project, says about us. Why not give them a call and check for yourself? -More- --- Sirius 0.50 * Origin: WeirdBase * St. Louis * 1-314-741-2231 * (Opus 1:100/523) Msg#: 2069 *BULLETIN BOARD* 07/09/88 10:49:00 (Read 0 Times) From: JACK DECKER To: MATTHEW DUNHAM Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2018 (RE: 22) Matthew, In your "Introduction to the Cults", you cite as one of the traits of a cult... > 2. THEY STEAL MEMBERS FROM OTHER CHRISTIAN CHURCHES > > a. Whom do they seek to convert? > > People on skid row? > > The natives of Java? > > > If you find them in established religious areas populated > with Baptists or any other Christian members then they are > proslytizing and the Bible condemns this practice. > First of all, where does the Bible condemn this practice? That's a new one on me. Second, I think that the above definition is overly-broad. The reason is that some good, Christian churches (including the Baptists!) go door-to-door in communities throughout the United States attempting to share the Gospel. I have had Baptists call at my door and when they found that we were attending another church, we generally had a few moments of Christian fellowship and then they departed. A cult member (and we get those, too) in the same situation will almost always press on in an attempt to convert me to their faith. And I think that is exactly the point you are trying to make. BUT... suppose that you were out doing door-to-door calling (or street witnessing) and you come across someone who a) attends church, b) professess to be a Christian, but c) that person's actions give rise to serious doubts in your mind that he truly is converted (perhaps he or she uses constant profanity, or is often drunk or high on drugs or something like that) and d) you know that the church they are attending preaches a "social gospel" and hasn't had a salvation message or altar call in 20 years. Now do you try and get this person saved and into a Bible-believing church? That would be "proslytizing" according to the strict interpretation of the quoted portion of text, yet I'm sure that most Christians under these circumstances might consider inviting this person to receive Christ and to start attending another church where the Gospel of Christ is preached. See the problem? I know what you are trying to say but under the definition as given above, the actions of many true Christian churches could be considered "cultish". The remainder of the file was very good, though! Jack --- ConfMail V3.31 * Origin: Northern Bytes BBS (Private Node via 154/7) (1:154/8) Msg#: 2074 *BULLETIN BOARD* 07/11/88 22:57:00 (Read 0 Times) From: MATTHEW DUNHAM To: JACK DECKER Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2069 (RE: 22) > In your "Introduction to the Cults", you cite as one of the > traits of a cult... Dear Jack, Thank You for Participating!! I totally agree with your observations... In an effort to get some discussion and interest in this echo, I have posted several messages that I did not create. I am one who is interested in reactions to these files. Hope to see you enter into some of the other discussions as well. ....matthew Msg#: 2038 *BULLETIN BOARD* 07/09/88 14:03:00 (Read 0 Times) From: MATT HART To: MATTHEW DUNHAM Subj: 2 Unless one interprets the bible literally in the places where it is meant to be taken so, one can produce all kinds of allegorical meanings such as this cultist is. --- QuickBBS v2.01 * Origin: Rock Island (on) Line - Newalla, Ok.- (405)391-9488 (1:147/3) Msg#: 1329 *BULLETIN BOARD* 07/09/88 18:46:00 (Read 3 Times) From: ROWAN MOONSTONE To: MATTHEW DUNHAM Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 1311 (RE: WELCOME) The "dark side of religion" has little to nothing to do with Wicca. We are a CELEBRATION of life and of the seasons and times of year. We have nothing to do with fear, darkness, or death, save in the context that these are things that happen in everyone's lives. Why can you not accept the fact that we are no threat to you? BB Rowan --- QuickBBS v2.01 * Origin: Rock Island (on) Line - Newalla, Ok.- (405)391-9488 (1:147/3) Msg#: 1334 *BULLETIN BOARD* 07/09/88 21:17:00 (Read 3 Times) From: MATTHEW DUNHAM To: ROWAN MOONSTONE Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 1329 (RE: WELCOME) > The "dark side of religion" has little to nothing to do > with Wicca. We are a CELEBRATION of life and of the seasons > and times of year. We have nothing to do with fear, > darkness, or death, save in the context that these are > things that happen in everyone's lives. Why can you not > accept the fact that we are no threat to you? BB Rowan You claim Wicca, is the oldest religion on earth. Your religion does not accept Jesus Christ as the Messiah, nor do you have any reverance for God or His Word. You disount it as just another off shoot from some `original religion' you seem to believe, just as all the religions seem to mirror some of your beliefs. I never stated I believed you were a `threat' to me! You and those like you have chosen to participate in this echo, to what end I am not sure. I do know that if you do not believe in God and His only begotten Son Jesus, you are very counterproductive, and therefor must have satanic inspiration, even though you do not acknowlege direct allegence with satan. Satan, knowing Truth as does Christ, is in competition for your soul. If he can get you to believe that God is Not and His Son is not to be acknowledged as Savior, he has won a great victory. I may never sway you from your beliefs but, If I can keep one individual from joinning your ranks, I will have been a Good Steward of the Gospel I know to be Truth. ....matthew --- QuickBBS v2.01 * Origin: Rock Island (on) Line - Newalla, Ok.- (405)391-9488 (1:147/3) Msg#: 1339 *BULLETIN BOARD* 07/10/88 17:02:00 (Read 3 Times) From: ROWAN MOONSTONE To: MATTHEW DUNHAM Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 1334 (RE: WELCOME) I disagree with your statement that I have no reverence for God. Just because my concept of God is not the same as yours, does NOT mean that I have no reverence for God/dess. I have the greatest reverence for the Deity, whatever anyone may choose to name that deity. Why do yoiu think that anyone who is not a born again Christian has no reverence for deity? This doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I have chosen to participate here so that people will know that Witches are NOT the Satanic baby killers that many of the Christian resources believe us to be. I am NOT trying to proselytize at all. I'm simply here to further understanding between people of different religions. I have no interest in converting people. If Wicca is right for them, they will find it in their own and the Gods good time. If it isn't, they don't belong with us at all. As a matter of fact, one of my former Coven brothers has decided that he reallyis happier in Christianity than in the Craft. I'm glad he has found the right path for him. We're still good friends. I think that in a way, the Christians pose a very real "threat" to Neopagans because of their unwillingness to let us believe and practice as we see fit. This right, incidentally , is guaranteed in the Constitution. I've had friends attacked, verbally and physically by well meaning people who were doing things"for their own good". I am concerned that unrefuted accusations of Witches being Satanists will possibly result in a hysterical reaction, particularly with all the scare stories making the rounds about Satanic baby killers. All I'm trying to do is to let people see that Witches are no threat to them. Nothing more, and certainly nothing less. BB Rowan --- QuickBBS v2.01 * Origin: Rock Island (on) Line - Newalla, Ok.- (405)391-9488 (1:147/3) Msg#: 2059 *BULLETIN BOARD* 07/10/88 17:09:00 (Read 0 Times) From: ROWAN MOONSTONE To: MATTHEW DUNHAM Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2058 (RE: WELCOME) Forgive me if I misinterpreted, but I thought you were worried about the rest of us when you made the statement that the Christians were outnumbered by the "cultists" here and you needed help in the form of more participation of Christians. Sorry if I misunderstood. BB Rowan --- QuickBBS v2.01 * Origin: Rock Island (on) Line - Newalla, Ok.- (405)391-9488 (1:147/3) Msg#: 1406 *BULLETIN BOARD* 07/13/88 11:40:05 (Read 4 Times) From: MICHELLE HASS To: BRAD HICKS Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 1302 (RE: WELCOME) Brad, this message is intended for Matthew, so bear with me...and I hope that Matthew the "Witchfinder General" reads this, and reads it well. Matt, I am angered, but not shocked, by your bigotry. It seems like the Fundie stock-in-trade. You may not believe that the God/ess of the Pagan traditions of the world is anything more than a false god. Do not quote me your biblical references, for since I do not believe the paradigm of Christianity, nor do I accept its scripture, I would not consider that an authority. What the issue is is not "false gods" but this: Do we as Pagani have the right to worship as we choose in this free country, the United States of America? Or is this a "Christian nation", and therefore, not only Pagani but Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus(and yes, there are many in the Greater LA area who were BORN into that belief, especially in Culver City and Mar Vista) Shintoists, Sikhs, Non-Fundie Protestants, and Catholics, not to mention JEWS, have no right to practice the religion of either their Fathers or their Conscience, and should renounce them or be persecuted. I have been very busy compiling a series of archives, known as the XIANHATE series. I have THREE very overstuffed archives already out, and with the captured threads and the further material I have gotten from both "Born-Again" and "Pagan" boards alike, it seems like the FOURTH will be on the way very soon. Do I do this to undermine Christianity? By all means no! I do this to make people aware that there is a great deal of bigotry out there, and that if one values their First-amendment right of freedom of worship, that they should prepare for persecution. I would deny that right only if the organization practiced Jonestown-style brainwashing (and I know no Pagan group that does, we're too independent-mi nded for that) or if it practiced human sacrifice. There are mentally disturbed people who claim to be Satanists, and perhaps do that sort of thing. But they are not Pagani, they are (if anything) Christian heretics, and are violating federal law when they do it. I, myself, do not even sacrifice ants or bugs to my God/ess, and in fact most traditions condemn even animal sacrifice. Your attitude against any belief system which is not the absolute same as yours is appaling. This country was started by a Freemason (Washington) Atheists (The Adamses) and a few sundry Pantheistic Deists (Jefferson, Franklin, et al). Most of the Founding Fathers believed in a benign and distant Creator, a distant "Watchmaker" or "Architect" that, after creating all, retired to some corner of the cosmos and left the creation to fend for itself. (Hence Franklin's famous aphorism "God helps those who help themselves") It was not started, in any event, by Fundamentalist Christians, or even Evangelical Christians. This country was founded on FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE, the Salem Witch Trials notwithstanding. So THINK before you condemn other faiths. That is, if you have the facility to do so. REASONably yours, MK-H. --- TBBS v2.0 * Origin: Cult Monitor LA (818)985-2701 (102/744) Msg#: 1505 *BULLETIN BOARD* 07/14/88 17:48:00 (Read 6 Times) From: ROWAN MOONSTONE To: MICHELLE HASS (Rcvd) Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 1406 (RE: WELCOME) Michelle, where can I capture theese files of youre on the hate mail? I've got EXTENSIVE archives on this myself. You might be interested in knowing that there is some evidence of the Adams family being from a Druidic tradition called the "dragon tradition." I've got the articles on that if you want them. BB Rowan --- QuickBBS v2.01 * Origin: Rock Island (on) Line - Newalla, Ok.- (405)391-9488 (1:147/3) Msg#: 1638 *BULLETIN BOARD* 07/18/88 00:38:00 (Read 4 Times) From: PHIL POWELL To: MATTHEW DUNHAM Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 1616 (RE: WELCOME) Well, as a former "warlock" myself, I agree with you 100%! The whole thing is nothing ore than control and manipulation. A lot of the covens manipulate your emotions as well as what they also consider your "karma" so that you're a slave to their every whim, and not only that, you find yourself completely UNABLE to stop using your powers, that is, you use them when you don't want to! And I could tell you some horrible things I used to see in my sleep while under the power of witchcraft! UGH! -* Rizz D00D *- Gal 5:1!!!! --- * Origin: +Hub of FISHNET+ the conference for born again Christians (Opus Msg#: 1646 *BULLETIN BOARD* 07/19/88 18:36:05 (Read 4 Times) From: MICHELLE HASS To: PHIL POWELL Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 1638 (RE: WELCOME) Phil, if you were a so-called "warlock" (and I know no self-respecting male Pagan who calls himself that save in jest) Then tell me: What tradition did you follow? What did you do in your Circles? Did the name of "Satan" or "The Devil" ever show up? Did you recite the Lord's Prayer backwards and/or conduct your "sabbats" on the nude body of a woman? Did you kill little kids and drink their blood? I'm sure that's what you tell your sanctimonious little BAC friends now, don't you. In all my years of acquaintaince with various non-Christian philosophies, and in my training in shamanic theory and practice, I have yet to see "scary beasties" like you say you have. If you were a Gothic ("satanist") please do not say you were a Wiccan. Tell the truth. Explain what you mean by "witchcraft". Then, and only then, can we debate without simply throwing rhetoric around. MK-H --- TBBS v2.0 * Origin: Cult Monitor LA (818)985-2701 (102/744) Msg#: 1965 *BULLETIN BOARD* 07/22/88 02:46:00 (Read 2 Times) From: PHIL POWELL To: MICHELLE HASS Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 1757 (RE: WELCOME) Actually, I threw curses on people and caused one of them to die by a curse I uttered once, developed ESP, and worshipped angels and stars. Practiced astral projection and saw visions of demons in my room. Sorry to disappoint you. -* Rizz D00D *- --- * Origin: +Hub of FISHNET+ the conference for born again Christians (Opus Msg#: 1756 *BULLETIN BOARD* 07/20/88 15:43:46 (Read 5 Times) From: ROWAN MOONSTONE To: PHIL POWELL Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 1638 (RE: WELCOME) Say WHAT???? Don't you even know that the word Warlock means "traitor" in Scots gaelic, and no Witch would ever call himself that!!! If you saw all these terrible things, how come you don't go to the police, put yourself in a witness protection program and help the good guys nab the bad guys, huh? Also, every Wiccan I ever met was vehemently against mind control in every form. As a metter of fact, in the Georgian tradition, which I am an initiate in, we are taught to question everyone, even our teachers. You are either lying, or you were not a Witch, but in with a bunch of loonies. --- TBBS v2.0 * Origin: Cult Monitor LA (818)985-2701 (102/744) To: PHIL POWELL Subj: RE: WELCOME Public Message 01: That doesn't sound like Wicca, or any sort of Paganism or neo-Shamanism to (9924) 02: me!!! Sounds more like the standard dilletante dabbling in "psychic (9855) 03: phenomena" that is dangerous because the proper precautions aren't taken. (9781) 04: So, you didn't answer my question...What Trad were you in? MK-H Msg#: 1757 *BULLETIN BOARD* 07/20/88 15:47:10 (Read 6 Times) From: ROWAN MOONSTONE To: MICHELLE HASS (Rcvd) Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 1646 (RE: WELCOME) Right on, Michelle!!! BB Sister. Rowan --- TBBS v2.0 * Origin: Cult Monitor LA (818)985-2701 (102/744) Msg#: 1966 *BULLETIN BOARD* 07/22/88 02:48:00 (Read 3 Times) From: PHIL POWELL To: ROWAN MOONSTONE Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 1965 (RE: WELCOME) Well, my friends taught me that a warlock was nothing more than a male witch and that in order to perfect your natural powers you had to develop a fantasy for them. Mine was to make myself appear and disappear (a real-time form of astral projection!) (when I was llittle I wanted to make money appear. Then I developed ESP and that's when the "mind control" began. They didn't tell me I'd wind up being "taken over" by the "power". Boy am I glad I'm LOADED with power now (a lot more than before) -* Rizz D00D *- --- * Origin: +Hub of FISHNET+ the conference for born again Christians (Opus Msg#: 1969 *BULLETIN BOARD* 07/23/88 16:56:00 (Read 3 Times) From: ROWAN MOONSTONE To: PHIL POWELL Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 1966 (RE: WELCOME) Phil,warlock is NOT a word that Witches use. The use of this word by people that you were involved with only goes to show they were not Witches. I don't know what they WERE into, but it wasn't Wicca. The only kind of "mind control" we practice is control of our OWn minds. --- QuickBBS v2.01 * Origin: Rock Island (on) Line - Newalla, Ok.- (405)391-9488 (1:147/3) Msg#: 1970 *BULLETIN BOARD* 07/23/88 16:58:00 (Read 3 Times) From: ROWAN MOONSTONE To: PHIL POWELL Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 1969 (RE: WELCOME) Sounds like you had a healthy dose of funny brown cigarettes too! Where do they GET these wild stories??? The National Enquirer??? --- QuickBBS v2.01 * Origin: Rock Island (on) Line - Newalla, Ok.- (405)391-9488 (1:147/3) Msg#: 2656 *MAGICKNET* 07/17/88 21:52:00 (Read 0 Times) From: ROWAN MOONSTONE To: ALL Subj: A WORD IN EDGEWISE Well, I finally got to do something last Thursday that I've been absolutely itching to do. The local talk radio show had a representative of Mike Warnke ministries on to talk about some animal mutilations they found on an altar in an island in eastern Okla. He went on about ritual child abuse and I'd jhust had it. I called the station and talked on the air with him for about 15 min and got to present my case for there being NO evidence for ritualistic child abuse. He couldn't answer my statements at all! I have the tape if anyone wants a copy of it. The whole show runs about 30 min. Just send me a blank tape if you want it. I'm rather proud of it myself. Bb Rowan --- * Origin: WeirdBase * St. Louis * 1-314-741-2231 * (Opus 1:100/523) Msg#: 2681 *BULLETIN BOARD* 07/20/88 15:39:41 (Read 0 Times) From: ROWAN MOONSTONE To: MICHELLE HASS Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2538 (SATAN IS JUDGED - WHO CARES?) Oh, Michelle, do I agree with you!!1 I received a lovely notice from a Christian sysop of a c net bbs here in OKC today. He said that though he was Christian and I am a Pagan, we're both just people and if Russia and the US got along like he and I, there would be no nuclear bomb threat. He's taken an ENORMOUS amount of flak from other Christians for allowing me to run a Wicca sub board on his board, but all in all, this man has shown me more of Christ than all the other people I have known put together. ( I would have answered you from lRock Island except Brother Matthew has forbidden me to speak to other pagans in this area from his board. )BB Rowan --- TBBS v2.0 * Origin: Cult Monitor LA (818)985-2701 (102/744) Msg#: 2726 *MUNDANE* 07/17/88 01:23:00 (Read 0 Times) From: ROWAN MOONSTONE To: FIONN MACCUMHAIL Subj: THAT STRANGE ECHO You don't know the half of it. I was in a lengthy conversation with Mathew tonight and he told me that if I cannot talk to other Pagans on his board. I'm only supposed to talk to Christians on that echo so I can learn the error of my ways!!1 I couldn't believe it. He's cut my access so I can't post there, just read, and he won't raise it again until I agree to follow his rules. Guess I'll just have to play from Wierdbase or go out to Cult Monitor. Strange man if I ever saw one!!! I'll send you a copy of the Irish Bibliography with the check for the book. BB Rowan --- * Origin: WeirdBase * St. Louis * 1-314-741-2231 * (Opus 1:100/523) Msg#: 2761 *MUNDANE* 07/19/88 09:39:00 (Read 0 Times) From: LIZ HAHN To: ROWAN MOONSTONE Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2756 (RE: THAT STRANGE ECHO) Dear Rowan, > I'm only supposed to talk > to Christians on that echo so I can learn the error of > my ways!!1 I couldn't believe it. He's cut my access so > I can't post there, just read, and he won't raise it again > until I agree to follow his rules. Guess I'll just have > to play from Wierdbase or go out to Cult Monitor. Strange > man if I ever saw one!!! I hope you Do hang in there and find a way to keep participating--not so much to bang your head against the wall but for the opportunity to present alternative thinking to those who may be open to it. While I am not eager to post under the conditions that Matthew has laid down, I am encouraging him to expand his rules a little (if not his thinking) for the good of the Echo. If he doesn't, he may find himself shouting at the mirror all alone. Aloha, Liz --- * Origin: Kauai1 - Aloha (Opus 1:161/414) Msg#: 2763 *MUNDANE* 07/18/88 08:32:00 (Read 0 Times) From: ROWAN MOONSTONE To: RUSS ANDERSON Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2201 (RE: CULT_WATCH ECHO) Well, he's figured out what to do. Seems I was making too good an impression on some folks. I've now been told that I may not converse with other pagans in that area. I may only speak to other Christians and Matthew, and then only so they can instruct me in the errors of my ways and lead me to the true faith. Honest. I have it in print from a chat session I had with Matthew. He dropped my access level to the echo to read only until I agree to comply with his requirements. I think I'm just gonna go out to Cult Monitor and participate from there. I'll be Damned if I'm gonna be muzzled by that turkey when I'm being polite and respectful and only trying to educate folks on the true nature of my beliefs and religion. I'm NOT proselytizing, whatever he may say. I was asked for some informationa and I tolk the guy I had it and he could come byy the house to get it and ZAP, my access got lowered Matthew seems to think that by allowing me to speak freely on his board, he's giving time to the devil, and he says he can't do that. Even claims to be proud of being so narrow minded. SHEESH!! what a strange man. Even the other Fundies think he's overboard. BB Rowan --- QuickBBS v2.01 * Origin: On The Edge BBS - OKC's only source for MAGICKNET (1:147/4)

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