Date: Thu 18 Aug 88 21:43:54
From: David Rice (on 161/93)
Subj: When Will I Die? Astrology Article
"Please, come in," you say with warmth and a smile,
standing up to greet your client. This morning you find it
particularly difficult to smile, what with the rent past due
and the bills piling up. but you manage. Your prefabricated
smile turns genuine when your client looks up and smiles
gamely back. You take her by the elbow and guide her to the
plush vinyl chair. Taking a seat yourself, you say "Thank
you very much for coming today. I've been working on your
chart, and I feel we have much to share this morning." You
offer her coffee or tea. She declines.
You get two sentences into your carefully rehearsed
allocution before she interrupts.
"Excuse me, there was something else I wanted to talk
about." You pause while she looks at her right shoe. "Ah,
I'd like to, ahum," she begins, switching her gaze to the
left foot, about where her second toe from the right would
be, as if she could see through the leather. She crosses
her arms. "I want to know when I'm going to die."
You have been asked this question many times before,
and know what to say. You wait a moment to collect your
thoughts, and give her your answer.
What will your answer be?
"To Tell Or Not To Tell?" has long been a favorite
subject for Astrologers who love to argue. Often one will
find an astrologer who loves to switch sides just to be The
Pain in the Ass at the annual astrology convention. Other
astrologers, who have learned to shut up and sit quietly at
parties, will just smile inertly at you if you ask this
question, with a superior grin on their ugly mugs. This
last mutation is usually the most annoying.
Still, the debate is a valid one. One astrologer will
tell you that to tell a person when she or he will die is
often the catalyst to making it happen. Another will say
that the astrologer has the responsibility to answer the
client's questions truthfully and honestly. And another
will argue that it isn't possible to note one's death in
one's chart. And yet a fourth will choose any combination
of these scenarios, based in direct proportion to the amount
of alcohol consumed at the Johndro Award Dinner an hour ago.
Perhaps the worse advice I've ever heard an astrologer
tell his client when asked the question "When will I die?"
was: "When you wish to," then going on to offer unearthly,
immaterial, bodiless, incorporeal, insubstantial, spiritual,
preternatural, "New Age" metaphysical pabulum. How inane!
How utterly, abysmally worthless advice when one is living
here in the Real World! Many astrologers feel a person
chooses when to be born, die, and every event in between
before the person incarnates. But your client didn't ask
"What's your opinion on why a person dies?" Your client has
asked a very personal question, the answer which you offer
may be vitally important to her or him.
Another way of answering this question is the "Judo"
approach. That is, taking the energy embodied in the
question and deflecting it away from you, thus freeing you
from answering. The format of the answer could be: "We
can't see death in a chart. That's strictly Hollywood-movie
astrology," and continuing with the session. Or perhaps "My
teacher doesn't believe it's possible, so we never discuss
There are many schools of astrology that teach that
one's death is very much possible to discover in one's
chart. Indian astrologers using the Novian chart look for
death of the native out of hand: If they didn't, the client
would look elsewhere for an astrologer (their most asked
question is "When will my children be born," followed by
"When will I die." See Warren Murphy's "Indian Astrology").
And then there is the view that one's chart will only
show the deaths of those around one (parents, siblings,
friends). Using this train of thought, the astrologer can
answer the question "When will I die?" by examining the
charts of those around the client. I feel this is valid, as
I've seen charts of widows who had "dying" issues and
adjustment concerns in their charts at the time of their
husbands deaths, but their husbands charts often showing
little more than periods of leisure and learning! [Since I
feel that Jupiter will trigger my own death, I find that
Jupiter triggers the deaths of those charts I examine. A
classic case of drawing like charts to oneself.]
Or, if you prefer using just the client's radix, there
are many astrologers who put in the Part of Death, Part of
Suicide, Part of Poison, Part of Peril, and Part of
Misfortune in the chart. Directing these to the angles, the
argument goes, times those periods when the client must be
on guard for mayhem, adversity, and tragedy. I enjoy using
the Uranian Placement Hades, as he worsen every thing he
touches [personal observation- for medical astrologers, please
look over the Uranians: They were postulated in the trenches
of World War I, and are excellent for personal mishaps].
Given the belief that the astrologer can determine a
client's death, should the astrologer tell the client? That
depends on how much responsibility the astrologer wishes to
take upon herself / himself. Putting aside such thought of
incurring "bad Karma" at causing the client to bring about
her / his own death, think about the possibility that you,
the astrologer, could be wrong!
A scenario: The client is 35 years old, and, though you
don't know it, will live to be a ripe old 70. He comes to
you and asks the question "When, kind sir, will I die?" and
being the hard working, much experienced astrologer that you
are, you say back to him "Well, now. You'll drop dead
January 17, 1992. That gives you another 7 years. You'll
die at age 56. Was their anything else?" For the next
seven years, below conscious thought, the client is getting
ready to die. When January rolls around he will 1) Drop
dead, or 2) Get Horribly sick and almost die, 3) Send you a
post card saying "Ha, ha, ha, fooled you!", or perhaps 4)
Kill YOU out of general principles.
Suppose it was number 1? You told him to die and he
did. Is that the reason you've worked so hard to determine
one's death? This extreme case could be considered murder.
Why not be a liar and just say "You'll live to be 110," and
let the client die at 70? That way the client is not around
to demand his money back, and your ass is covered.
Well, OK. You don't wish to lie to your clients, and I
hope you don't. Here's what * I * would do, as I find it
works. Make a list of no less that 20 periods when the
client should be extra careful. Include the period you
believe the client will die. Then throw in five or six
"easy" periods as well. Tell the client that these dates
are those she or he should watch out for her / himself. Be
damn sure you include time periods beyond a reasonable time
that one may expect to live (that is, list a time span or
two where the client is 110 or 120 years old). It is very
important to ask the client to call you back (or visit you)
after these periods and get her / his input on how things
"But," you say, and rightly so, "that could cause the
client to have hardship she or he may not have been 'meant'
to have!" Being forewarned, I reply, is better than getting
one's teeth kicked in. Make a list of safety practices, and
list the periods extra care must be taken on top of this
". . . You wait a moment to collect your thoughts, and
give her your answer."
"The best I can do," you truthfully say, "is to give
you periods where you must be extra careful. I feel, and
past experience has born me out, that one may step aside
when harm approaches. This is a list of precautions I would
like you to take." You hand over a list, keeping a copy for
yourself. "At the top," you continue, "is things I think you
must do a few weeks before these periods. Make sure your
car's breaks are in order, have a doctor look you over,
etc." You pause. "The second part of this list are things
to do during these time spans. Always wear a seat belt,
take extra care in the bathroom, etc." You quickly go over
the list, and make sure the client understand.
Be sure the client knows that she or he may bring the
subject of death up again at any time in the future, and
continue the session.
You close the door after showing your client out. The
familiar warmth inside comes to you, as it does after many
successful sessions. Such potential in that chart, in your
client! What a horrible disservice, you think, it would
have been to answer her question "When will I die?" with a
number and a date.
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