Date: Thu 18 Aug 88 21:43:54 To: All Subj: When Will I Die? Astrology Article +quot;Please

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Date: Thu 18 Aug 88 21:43:54 From: David Rice (on 161/93) To: All Subj: When Will I Die? Astrology Article "Please, come in," you say with warmth and a smile, standing up to greet your client. This morning you find it particularly difficult to smile, what with the rent past due and the bills piling up. but you manage. Your prefabricated smile turns genuine when your client looks up and smiles gamely back. You take her by the elbow and guide her to the plush vinyl chair. Taking a seat yourself, you say "Thank you very much for coming today. I've been working on your chart, and I feel we have much to share this morning." You offer her coffee or tea. She declines. You get two sentences into your carefully rehearsed allocution before she interrupts. "Excuse me, there was something else I wanted to talk about." You pause while she looks at her right shoe. "Ah, I'd like to, ahum," she begins, switching her gaze to the left foot, about where her second toe from the right would be, as if she could see through the leather. She crosses her arms. "I want to know when I'm going to die." You have been asked this question many times before, and know what to say. You wait a moment to collect your thoughts, and give her your answer. What will your answer be? "To Tell Or Not To Tell?" has long been a favorite subject for Astrologers who love to argue. Often one will find an astrologer who loves to switch sides just to be The Pain in the Ass at the annual astrology convention. Other astrologers, who have learned to shut up and sit quietly at parties, will just smile inertly at you if you ask this question, with a superior grin on their ugly mugs. This last mutation is usually the most annoying. Still, the debate is a valid one. One astrologer will tell you that to tell a person when she or he will die is often the catalyst to making it happen. Another will say that the astrologer has the responsibility to answer the client's questions truthfully and honestly. And another will argue that it isn't possible to note one's death in one's chart. And yet a fourth will choose any combination of these scenarios, based in direct proportion to the amount of alcohol consumed at the Johndro Award Dinner an hour ago. Perhaps the worse advice I've ever heard an astrologer tell his client when asked the question "When will I die?" was: "When you wish to," then going on to offer unearthly, immaterial, bodiless, incorporeal, insubstantial, spiritual, preternatural, "New Age" metaphysical pabulum. How inane! How utterly, abysmally worthless advice when one is living here in the Real World! Many astrologers feel a person chooses when to be born, die, and every event in between before the person incarnates. But your client didn't ask "What's your opinion on why a person dies?" Your client has asked a very personal question, the answer which you offer may be vitally important to her or him. Another way of answering this question is the "Judo" approach. That is, taking the energy embodied in the question and deflecting it away from you, thus freeing you from answering. The format of the answer could be: "We can't see death in a chart. That's strictly Hollywood-movie astrology," and continuing with the session. Or perhaps "My teacher doesn't believe it's possible, so we never discuss it." There are many schools of astrology that teach that one's death is very much possible to discover in one's chart. Indian astrologers using the Novian chart look for death of the native out of hand: If they didn't, the client would look elsewhere for an astrologer (their most asked question is "When will my children be born," followed by "When will I die." See Warren Murphy's "Indian Astrology"). And then there is the view that one's chart will only show the deaths of those around one (parents, siblings, friends). Using this train of thought, the astrologer can answer the question "When will I die?" by examining the charts of those around the client. I feel this is valid, as I've seen charts of widows who had "dying" issues and adjustment concerns in their charts at the time of their husbands deaths, but their husbands charts often showing little more than periods of leisure and learning! [Since I feel that Jupiter will trigger my own death, I find that Jupiter triggers the deaths of those charts I examine. A classic case of drawing like charts to oneself.] Or, if you prefer using just the client's radix, there are many astrologers who put in the Part of Death, Part of Suicide, Part of Poison, Part of Peril, and Part of Misfortune in the chart. Directing these to the angles, the argument goes, times those periods when the client must be on guard for mayhem, adversity, and tragedy. I enjoy using the Uranian Placement Hades, as he worsen every thing he touches [personal observation- for medical astrologers, please look over the Uranians: They were postulated in the trenches of World War I, and are excellent for personal mishaps]. Given the belief that the astrologer can determine a client's death, should the astrologer tell the client? That depends on how much responsibility the astrologer wishes to take upon herself / himself. Putting aside such thought of incurring "bad Karma" at causing the client to bring about her / his own death, think about the possibility that you, the astrologer, could be wrong! A scenario: The client is 35 years old, and, though you don't know it, will live to be a ripe old 70. He comes to you and asks the question "When, kind sir, will I die?" and being the hard working, much experienced astrologer that you are, you say back to him "Well, now. You'll drop dead January 17, 1992. That gives you another 7 years. You'll die at age 56. Was their anything else?" For the next seven years, below conscious thought, the client is getting ready to die. When January rolls around he will 1) Drop dead, or 2) Get Horribly sick and almost die, 3) Send you a post card saying "Ha, ha, ha, fooled you!", or perhaps 4) Kill YOU out of general principles. Suppose it was number 1? You told him to die and he did. Is that the reason you've worked so hard to determine one's death? This extreme case could be considered murder. Why not be a liar and just say "You'll live to be 110," and let the client die at 70? That way the client is not around to demand his money back, and your ass is covered. Well, OK. You don't wish to lie to your clients, and I hope you don't. Here's what * I * would do, as I find it works. Make a list of no less that 20 periods when the client should be extra careful. Include the period you believe the client will die. Then throw in five or six "easy" periods as well. Tell the client that these dates are those she or he should watch out for her / himself. Be damn sure you include time periods beyond a reasonable time that one may expect to live (that is, list a time span or two where the client is 110 or 120 years old). It is very important to ask the client to call you back (or visit you) after these periods and get her / his input on how things are going. "But," you say, and rightly so, "that could cause the client to have hardship she or he may not have been 'meant' to have!" Being forewarned, I reply, is better than getting one's teeth kicked in. Make a list of safety practices, and list the periods extra care must be taken on top of this list. ". . . You wait a moment to collect your thoughts, and give her your answer." "The best I can do," you truthfully say, "is to give you periods where you must be extra careful. I feel, and past experience has born me out, that one may step aside when harm approaches. This is a list of precautions I would like you to take." You hand over a list, keeping a copy for yourself. "At the top," you continue, "is things I think you must do a few weeks before these periods. Make sure your car's breaks are in order, have a doctor look you over, etc." You pause. "The second part of this list are things to do during these time spans. Always wear a seat belt, take extra care in the bathroom, etc." You quickly go over the list, and make sure the client understand. Be sure the client knows that she or he may bring the subject of death up again at any time in the future, and continue the session. You close the door after showing your client out. The familiar warmth inside comes to you, as it does after many successful sessions. Such potential in that chart, in your client! What a horrible disservice, you think, it would have been to answer her question "When will I die?" with a number and a date. --- * Origin: Astro-Net 714 662-2294 Not For Pagans Only! (Opus 1:103/503)

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