AWAKE 635 West Baker, Box S-206«Costa Mesa, Ca. 92626«January 7th, 1990««««»Re: +quot;Aw

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AWAKE ilable to back up her/his/their claims). A responsible publisher includes the author's name.««│1.......[....».............................................].............«According to the AFA. . . there are about 5,000 full-time, professional astrologers. . . 50,000 part-time practitioners in the United States.««│1..»....»....»...........................................................««»No date of this estimate, or the person who made it, is presented to your cult members. You present it as fact, and expect them to believe it or else. Just incidently the numbers are incorrect, but that's besides the point.««»According to International Society for Astrological Research, National Council for Geocosmic Research, American Federation of Astrological Networking, Aspects, and related organizations, you've underestimated the first figure and exaggerated the latter. Let's see the name of the person who was quoted as "According to the AFA," instead of publishing hearsay.««│1.......[....»..............................................]............«Each year in France. . . 30,000 officially recognized astrologers or mediums. . . says 'Toutes les Nouvelles. . . .'««│1..»....»....»...........................................................««»Again no proper reference is provided, and the cult member is told to accept this as unimpeachable fact. Which of the "30,000" are astrologers, and the other "mediums," and why are they serendipitous lumped together, and who is the "official" who recognizes them? Which volume of the magazine, who produces it and why, and what are their cult involvement if any? Perhaps the answers were too inconveniently revealing for you to publish?««│1.......[....»...............................................]...........«When . . . Weser Kurier neglected to print the horoscope column. . . phone calls were received. . ."««│1..»....»....»...........................................................««»Again totally anecdotal. How many phone calls? According to who is r?" What are her/his cult affiliations, and reasons for believing thus? Who says that "it [astrology] claims" anything at all? Who is it that does the claiming? And who says that "the most important person" is oneself? Once again we see that the reader must accept this without any offer of proof, references, or collaboration.««│1.......[....»................................................]..........«But do they really do this? And, most important, do the stars really control our lives?««│1..»....»....».. .........................................................««»I've yet to meet  any  astrologer who believes that the stars, planets, luminaries, or other space bodies control anyone's lives. You make the statement as a question so that your cult members reading it will assume it is a given fact that astrologers believe thus (an old trick that all propagandists use). Let's see you come up with the responsible, accomplished astrologer who told you astrologers believe thus.««»It is reminiscent of the Nazi s aying "Jews do this and they believe that and they want the other." Ask an astrologer if planets control peoples lives, instead of assuming that astrologers think so.««│1.......[....»................................................]..........«'. . . when am I going to make a million dollars . . . or meet Mr. Wonderful?' says a part-time astrologer.««│1..»....»....»...........................................................««»Which part-time "astrologer?" What are her/his credentials, affiliations, backgro und, training, biases? Or did you just make this quote up, too?««│1.......[....».................................................].........«The basic tenet of astrology is that the position of the sun, moon, and planets. . . plays an influential role in our character and in our life.««│1..»....»....»...........................................................««»Yet another fallacy. The "mystical constellations" do not play an important part in Western astrology, as it is based on Tropical cycles, and not t he constellations. Thus spring is associated with the sacrificial ram, the redemption of victim into savior (the reason the Jesus myths place the resurrection at Easter), and the birth of new forms-- no matter how many degrees the constellations progressed from the vernal point, spring always starts around the same day of the year. Thus your inaccurate account that "astrology is off by one sign" is also deceptive.««│1.......[....»..................................................]........«. . . Michel Gauquelin. . . found that 90 percent of the people said that the analysis they received was an accurate description. . . . So much for objective ......................................««»Well, it sure surprises anyone not a member of you cult, I'm sure. Who says the stars and planets were worshiped? Why are no references to this absurd claim presented? No one can claim with any authority at all where astrology has its "roots," and to say otherwise is lying. Also, there is no proof that "the supernatural" exists, and if it does exists, there's no proof that its effects are "super" to nature at all.««│1.......[....»..................................................]........«. . . what sort of predictions are those that have supposedly come true? Are they not mostly about death, murder, assassinations, disasters-- things sinister and macabre, characteristically satanic [sic] and demonic?««│1..»....».....»..........................................................««»Have your ever read the predictions made in the Christian Bible? Are they not mostly about death, murder, assassinations, disasters-- things sinister and macabre, characteristically Satanic and demonic?««»You claim your God Satan is responsible for any astrological effect, which is absurd. Tallies run by Francoise Gauquelin, I.S.A.R., and myself (independently) yields significant results without the chart owner's participation or collusions. The hereditary tallies show that parental diurnal placements are repeated in offspring charts more than chance allows-- does this mean that the unborn infant cloudless with your God on the time of its birth (prior to 1940) or with the attending physician (after 1940, who now induce labor and thus time births instead of the baby doing so)?««»You also assume, incorrectly, that astrologers made predictions, which is not so here in real life. Professional, competent, learned astrologers do not predict-- students, housewives and newspaper columnists do.««│1.......[....»..................................................]........«. . . and turned astrology into a cult.««│1..»....»................................................................««»You use "cult" just as a bigot would use "nigger," "whop," "gook," etc., in a derogatory way. A cult is  ANY  group of two or more individuals

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