Subject: The ATF-Waco Report Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 04:58:37 GMT Well, it's official. The T
From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Louis Alberto Bueno)
Subject: The ATF-Waco Report
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 04:58:37 GMT
Well, it's official.
The Treasury Department released today (Thursday, September 30) a
potentially scathing report on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms
raid of the Branch Davidian compound near Waco, Texas.
The ATF officials who had botched the initial raid this past
February lied to their superiors, the police and the news media, as well as
altering written reports to conceal their own errors. The 300-page report
pointed out that the raid itself was "botched" insofar as that even after
agents knew that the element of surprise had been lost and that they were
not prepared for a shootout with the Branch Davidians, they proceeded
anyway. (This last part is very important, as the ATF team leaders had
been specifically instructed not to move in if the element of surprise was
lost because the agents were not readily armed for the type of armed
standoff which ensued with the BDs.)
As a result, four agents were killed and 20 wounded in a 45-minute
shootout, in which six BDs died as well. As everyone here knows well, this
led to a 51-day standoff that ended in a fiery blaze that totally consumed
the BD compound, which resulted in the death of 85 BDs, among which were 29
The report notes that Charles Sarabyn, assistant to Phillip
Chojancki (the special agent in charge of the Houston ATF office), had been
informed by an undercover agent, Robert Rodriguez, that David Koresh had
been tipped off to the raid FORTY minutes before it occurred by one of his
followers who had spoken to a TV cameraman who was preparing to cover the
Treasury Secretary Lloyd Bentsen, remarking on this, said the
commanders "erred by failing to abort the mission," adding, "I don't know
what went on in the man's mind when he made the decision ... in absolute
violation of the instructions."
Days after the shootout, Sarabyn and Chojancki told their superiors
that they had no prior knowledge that Koresh would be prepared for the
raid, even though field agents who were on the scene were telling
investigators and Texas Rangers that the two agents in charge were lying.
Stephen Higgins, who was acting head of the ATF at the time (who
has retired prior to the release of this report), went on national TV a
week later after the shootout and firmly denied that Koresh had any prior
knowledge of an impending raid. He said "We would not send our agents into
a situation where we didn't think we had the element of surprise."
Higgins was criticized in the report for failing to actively pursue
media claims that his field commanders were being "less than truthful"
about the raid. Only after being confronted with more than 60 witnesses
did Sarabyn admit he knew Koresh was ready for the ATF. The report said
Higgins should not have taken the field commanders' claims at face value,
considering the amount of circumstancial evidence.
Another cover-up that was revealed in the report is that the two
supervising agents had also doctored the raid plan before submitting it to
the Texas Rangers, who were investigating the botched raid at the time. The
two agents claimed that they were only sought "to revise the plan to make
it more thorough and complete," even though it's apparent that they were
only seeking to cover up their own mistakes in the affair.
The report went on to criticize the ATF for not seeking alternative
plans to seperate Koresh from his arsenal of weapons before arresting him,
as well as stating that there are "serious, systemic defects in ATF's
ability to plan for and to conduct large-scale tactical operations."
Other quotes from the 300-page report:
"Unfortunately, the investigation also found disturbing evidence of
flawed decision-making, inadequate intelligence gathering,
miscommunication, supervisory failures and deliberately misleading
"Despite knowing in advance that the element of surprise was lost,
the raid commanders made the decision to go forward. This decision was
brutally exploited by Branch Davidian leader David Koresh and his
"Higgins must accept responsibility for continuing to take public
positions on the issue when repeated questions from the media and
information readily available to him should have made it clear that he was
on shaky ground. Higgins never adequately questioned his subordinates to
determine the facts until early April."
"ATF's management, perhaps out of misplaced desire to protect the
agency from criticism, offered accounts based on Chojnacki and Sarabyn's
statements, disregarding clear evidence that those statements were false."
"The problems here rest as much in the planning process as in the
plan itself. Not only were the planners, led by Sarabyn, too quick in
concluding that a massive mid-morning raid was the best possible
enforcement option, but they chose a plan whose window of opportunity might
have been far smaller than they realized."
And finally, from Bentsen himself:
"Mistakes and errors in judgment were made. Numerous officials
were less than truthful about the facts."
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Date: Sat, 9 Oct 93 10:58:33 -0500
From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Edward Bertsch)
Subject: Re: Waco report available from Gov. printing office - talk.politics.guns #72527
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|> 500 pages, and costs $33, including shipping. Takes 3-4 wks. to arrive. The
|> phone number for ordering it is 202-783-3238.
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From: email@example.com (Rick Graul)
Subject: Re: FBI and Waco
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 22:17:43 GMT
firstname.lastname@example.org (Alex Currier) writes:
>My question is this. You claim that looking at the situation objectively will
>prove that allegations of child abuse, sexual and otherwise, and so forth were
>merely lies constructed by the media for the express purpose of turning the
>public opinion in favor of government intervention. Please tell me what are
>your sources for this objectivity? How do you KNOW that these things weren't
>happening? Unless you were there in the compound you cannot know for sure (and
>even then your words would have to be taken in perspective as eye witnesses
>often view the same event in different ways).
The final report by the Treasury Department on the FBI admits that is no
evidence of child abuse. I think it's safe to accept what the report says
in this area, since it indicates that the FBI and the ATF were lying,
because they claimed to have evidence of child abuse.
But my concern isn't with what the reports said, it's with what they
didn't say. What about all the questions raised by the Linda Thompson
(AJF) video? Do the reports address these? I haven't actually seen
the reports yet, but from what I've read, it seems that reports ignore
these issues completely.
What about the fact that one of the ATF agents can be seen lobbing a grenade
and then shooting into a room where 3 other agents have just gone during the
initial assault. These 3 agents ended up dead. What do the reports say
What I want to know is how the final report explains the flames bellowing
out of the turret of one of the assult tanks as it pulls it's turret from
the hole it's just punched into the compound. Does it even address this?
Or how about the fact that another tank can be seen sitting over the exit
of the underground bunker while the compound burns? What does the report
say about this?
Why were the fire trucks sent away just prior to the final assault?
What about the fact that the compound sight was bulldozed before an
independent investigation could be made, on the basis that it posed a
health hazzard? How can the destruction of the evidence be justified?
What does the report say about the weapons that were found? Where was
the 50 calibur machine gun?
Or, what about the meth lab? Where was that? This allegation enabled
them to bring in the tanks.
It seems to me that the reports have been largely a whitewash and have
focused on the non-issues.
One more question:
Why is the media afraid to show the Linda Thompson video on TV?
Subject: "Thanks for calling, David - we'll be right over!"
From: email@example.com (Financial Opportunities)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 15:25:00 -0400
Ken Fawcett, in his fascinating 6th October interview on RADIO
FREE AMERICA [WWCR short-wave radio], highlighted another
intriguing aspect of the Waco affair.
Highly condensed, this is the substance of his allegations:
The property at Mount Carmel was "owned" or "registered to" a
George Roden before David Kuresh assumed responsibility for it.
A Mr. Harvey was alleged to be running a pornography and/or drug
business out of the premises at that time, and is alleged to have
been "shielded" from prosecution in these endeavours by the
District Attorney of McClennan County, Vic Feazell. The latter
was apparently charged in connection with these allegations, but
was acquitted in District Court.
Feazell promptly sued A.H. Below [phonetic spelling], the major
news organisation in North Texas, for $58 million [in 1986 or
1987], and reportedly received a $44 million award.
Fawcett claimed that, while renovating Mount Carmel, Kuresh et al
came across physical evidence which "proved" that the statements
that had been previously made concerning the drugs and pornography
operations carried on there were actually true, and that this
evidence would have had the effect of reversing the $44 million
dollar award to Feazell. When he drew this to the attention of the
local Sheriff he was told to "bury it". Instead, he cached it in a
shed just off the complex.
After the fire and subsequent destruction, Fawcett said that he
found the evidence casually thrown onto a heap of rubbish at the
site, as being of no value or significance, by government
investigators who had previously combed through the rubble. He said
that he carefully videotaped it all, and now has it stored safely.
He theorized that third parties "lured" the ATF in to destroy or
[without their knowledge] assist in the recovery of this evidence;
the ATF, he asserted, were only too happy to get involved, not
knowing the full ramifications, because they desperately needed a
safe but spectacular raid to boost their standing at up-coming
appropriation hearings. They apparently trained for 8 months in
advance for the raid, notified T.V. and newspapers the Saturday in
advance, then bungled it.
Please route any disagreements to Ken Fawcett and not to yours truly!
From: milo@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Michele Lord)
Subject: Feds Assume Power Above and Beyond Law
Date: 18 Oct 93 02:34:36 GMT
Without permission from the Rocky Mountain News, Oct. 16, 1993.
Feds Assume Powers Above and Beyond Law
by Paul Craig Roberts
Have the police powers of our government become too great? The
government's own reports on the assault on the Branch Davidian
compound in Waco, Texas, paint a picture of law authorities running
amok and squandering the lives of scores of men, women and
The Treasury Department's report is by far the most critical.
It blames Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms officials for
botching the raid on the compound and then engaging in deception to
hide their mistakes. The bureau's director has resigned, and five
officials have been placed on administrative leave pending further
The Justice Department's report contradicts Attorney General
Janet REno's reasons for ordering the fatal attack, but raises more
questions than it answers by exonerating all high-ranking FBI and
Justice Department officials.
But more is amiss here than a botched raid and possible conflict
of interest. Both reports gloss over many legal irregularities and
the government's hostile attitude toward the Davidians that led to
The Treasury's report notes that despite its shortcomings, "the
raid fit within an historic, well-established and well-defended
government interest in prohibiting and breaking up groups that
sought to arm or fortify themselves." Once the decision was made to
bust up the group, the legal niceties that constrain government
behavior became casualties.
Some of the evidence used to obtain the warrant that launched
the initial raid apparently was false or fabricated. Film footage
of the violent assault and tapes of telephone conversations with
Davidian leader David Koresh do not appear to be consistent with
the government's explanation of events leading to the fiery deaths
in the compound.
The government committed more wrongs than merely proceeding with
an attack in full knowledge that the Davidians were expecting them.
By not honestly addressing these wrongs, both reports constitute a
Something similar happened in Idaho, where federal marshals
killed two members of Randy Weaver's family after deciding that the
family, living in an isolated cabin in the mountains, constituted a
dangerous gang of "white supremacists."
Having suppressed this armed group residing within its borders,
the U.S. brought Weaver to trial. But the jury sided with Weaver
and threw out the case, and U.S. District Judge Edward Lodge
excoriated the FBI for withholding evidence about what really
Like it or not, federal agents have assumed the power to decide
whose beliefs are permissible and to use deadly force to regulate
the behavior of those deemed to be outcasts. Nothing in our law
gives government this power. If we permit this illegitimate power
to be used against fringe elements, it will gain legitimacy and
threaten us all.
In the post-war era, anti-communism and law-and-order issues
rallied many Americans to the defense of the state. In the process
we neglected to note that many of the means we chose also permitted
the emergence of government power that is accountable only to
The Waco disaster offered an opportunity to confront this issue,
but the Treasury and Justice reports have successfully evaded it.
As Rep. Don Edwards, D., Calif., chairman of the Judiciary
Subcommittee on Civil and Constitutional Rights, observed, the
governments report is "very disappointing."
Michele Lord + If you have come here to help me,
+ you are wasting your time.....
+ But if you have come because
+ your liberation is bound up with mine,
firstname.lastname@example.org + then let us work together.
Subject: More on the Waco Massacre
Date: 29 Oct 93 10:30:57 CST
Ken Fawcett, a private citizen who resides in the Waco area, was disturbed
by the events at Waco and launched his own investigative review of the
matter. He made the following contribution to The SPOTLIGHT. jwg
From The SPOTLIGHT, Oct. 25, 1993
Official Evidence of Texas Raid Doesn't Jibe With Evidence
The conclusions of an independent investigation into the events surrounding
the bloody raid on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco reveal numerous
discrepancies between the official version and that of witnesses, tape
recordings and photographs.
By Ken Fawcett
The raid on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco was initially
planned as a very safe operation to bolster a sliding public image and
at the same time accentuate the need for more gun control. Scripted
responses of being "outgunned," made by Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and
Firearms (BATF) spokesperson Sharon Wheeler, indicate a third possible
motive, an impending request in appropriations for additional funding
for heavier and costlier tactical ordnance.
The search and arrest warrants, as has been previously pointed
out, are fraught with errors and assumptions. Most of the warrants
contained extremely stale, slanted and vindictive information obtained
from the embittered, banished "prophet" Marc Breault.
Breault's affidavit, obtained from a 1992 child custody hearing,
forms most of the government's probable cause.
Breault had not been in the group since 1989. Breault is legally
blind, and his statements of having seen stockpiles of weapons and
instances of child abuse are in reference to "dreams or visions" he had.
The fact a warrant was granted at all raises serious questions
about whether collusion exists between McLennan County officials, the
district court, the U.S. Attorney's Office, and/or the BATF. In any
case, a "no-knock" warrant was not issued, meaning BATF had no authority
to be smashing windows or clambering on the roof.
The raid was not designed or planned to allow for casualties
on either side. However, the circumstances surrounding two of the
four BATF fatalities warrant deeper study with possible criminal action
against persons within the BATF, Texas Department of Public Safety and
McLennan County Sheriff's Office for charges ranging from obstruction
of justice to murder.
The deaths of the other two asgents and most of the five injuries
resulted accidentally because a three-pront armed assault was mounted
upon what amounted to little more than a cardboard box. It is unclear
at this stage why the BATF injuries were overstated in comparison to
those acknowledged by raid commanders Ted Royster, Phil Chojnacki, and
Chuck Sarabyn as recorded on the 911 tapes.
It's very disturbing that two of the dead agents had publicly
criticized the BATF top-level managers on national television about two
years earlier. The agents had their identities electronically concealed,
but CBS was able to release this information now that the agents had died.
In the weeks following the raid, BATF claimed the raid failed
because the element of surprise was lost, when, in actuality, the raid
depended upon the occupants of the complex being forewarned so as to allow
for the evacuation of children and women to bunkers or lower floors from
their normal residences on the second and third floors.
This is confirmed in conversation between Sheriff Lt. Larry Lynch
and Waco Police dispatcher Jayni Sykora. On tape 1, side A, Miss Sykora
says, "Sure hope those kids are out of the way." Lynch responds, "No,
he says, 'There's kids in here...'
"We know that. They've got some underground stuff."
When the undercover agent known as Robert Gonzales realized David
Koresh was not overly paranoid about the impending raid, that is, he was
not ordering the children into the bunkers, he tried to stop the assault.
Attempts included honking the horn and flashing headlights.
Indeed, the agents who stopped sect member David Jones were able
to view his car subsequently travel to the complex, to alert his friends,
at least 45 minutes before the raid ever commenced. Numerous experts
have testified that surprise was impossible on such an isolated structure,
and to insist the BATF was "ambushed" is an affront to intelligence of
the American people.
Statements from sect survivors indicate underground tunnels were
collapsed by heavy rains or otherwise unusable. Close-ups of the front of
the building reveal almost all BATF fire from the front went into the
second and third floor, principally to the right or south of the front
door. A BATF blueprint of the building with names of sect members written
in, reflects where people were stationed during the raid.
These positions were affirmed by tape recorded phone conversations
with sect members remanded into the jail. Not surprisingly all but four
of the 21 persons shown stationed on the second and third floor, south
end, are among the eventual fatalities.
UNARMED WOMEN AND CHILDREN
Examination of the vehicles that agents fired from behind reveals
few projectiles came from the building and those that did entered from
ground level trajectories. This confirms earlier reports that only
unarmed women and children were on the upper floors.
Why then are those agents directing their fire upstairs in all
videotape segments of the front parking lot? Why would they not return
fire toward the emanating points of what controlled fire they were
BATF spokesperson Ed Hartnett says publicly on March 1 that
gunfire from the front was controlled.
Statements by David to CNN and KRLD and even to the dispatcher
at the 911 center about some of his children being killed are supportive
of the mathematical calculations on collateral damage, given the
construction of the building and the type of ammo used by the BATF.
BATF spokesmen are now being reprimanded for repeatedly lying
to the public. Covering up the botched raid is not sufficient to warrant
the expenses the BATF and FBI delved out in the so-called stand-off.
The only thing worthy of such a massive cover-up is what
came out in the end anyway, that a disproportionate number of children
and women were killed as a result of the activities of the very first day.
The specification of aluminum powder in the BATF search warrant
is foreboding of what was pumped into the fire on April 19.
The medical examiner in Fort Worth, Dr. Rodney Crowe, stated in
a taped interview July 30 that the walk-in refrigerator contained within
the above-ground concrete blockhouse (bunker) was melted. FBI agent
Bob Ricks said he believes many of the women and children tried to
"bunker down" inside this refrigerator.
A fire, without some kind of metal powder accelerant, would be
incapable of melting a stainless steel refrigerator contained in a
Widely distributed video footage depicting three agents smashing
into a rooftop window and then appearing to engage in a gunfight in the
room was a staged event "for the camera." This is acknowledged by
Sheriff Jack Harwell in a taped telephone call to David Koresh. During
this call Harwell asks Koresh his "position."
The response is "What? They killed a baby girl. There's crippled.
BATF as of this writing freely admits that none of the agents
shown on the tape died in the raid, and all are back at work. What was
the justification for lying in the press briefings about the circumstances
of the deaths of the agents.
David Koresh listened intently to those conferences, and the
consternation he suffered over being publicly accused of killing agents,
one of whom was injured and helped by the Davidians, is evident in his
statement to Sheriff Harwell, "We let 'em come in and get one of the guys.
They said they didn't. That's a lie. That, there was--a couple of, uh,
two or three guys upstairs, out--"
Harwell interrupts that they (BATF) have changed that story, it
was for the camera, whereupon Koresh states, "Well, it's all over the
The latest version (now changed three times) of how and where
the BATF agents died is that two died on the ground, one on the roof
and one in the chapel.
We have a videotape clip of an agent turning to his left and
firing into the chapel from under an aluminum ladder. He then calls to
the cameraman to summon an ambulance. Right after this segment on the
tape another agent starts shouting instructions and asks who is on
Three to four shots are fired, and a second agent shouts "No,
An agent in the distance is heard to query, "Hey...Hey, is he
aiming back over this way?"
ACCOLADES TO POLICE
With specific reference to the 911 tapes, accolades are due to
the Waco, Texas Police Department for preserving those tapes in the face
of incredible odds. Without the 911 tapes most of this investigation
would have been limited to the chopped-up video of the raid, the
statements from survivors and the recorded phone call between Harwell
From these tapes it is evident that the government retained at
least one operative inside the complex throughout the botched raid. The
person is identified only as "Fred" on the tape.
Fred says they are "faking gunfire with these people" after
getting Miss Sykora's attention by addressing her as Ron. He wants
media representatives to call him at Martin's phone number. Then he
whispers into the phone heavily, "hang up the phone...Wheeler, hang up
We learn on tape 6 that BATF agents believe all calls out of
the complex had been diverted to the undercover house across the street.
An agent named Dino is somewhat disturbed when Lynch tells him
he's not across the street, but rather "downtown Waco, Texas" and that
the call is being taped. BATF had forgotten to have Davidian Wayne
Martin's business line diverted.
Obviously the video tape and photos of agents being dragged
out of the complex and carried on the news truck raise still more
questions. Two of the agents exhibit advanced symptoms of rigor
mortis. And from the time Martin first calls 911 to ask for the firing
to stop until the time BATF claims to have removed its last injured
agent from the scene, three full hours have elapsed.
It is extremely clear from the tapes that either the BATF's
communications are non-existent and/or the BATF forces view this as
a military assault and will settle for nothing less than total victory.
When Martin tells Lynch he has to pass the word on the cease fire,
he's actually referring to passing the word out to the BATF forces.
Corroborating evidence is seen on the videotape of the raid.
Agents are shown here shielding the TV camera from viewing a
corpse with a plastic bag over the head and torso. Though this
location is behind an outhouse and is isolated from the main forces,
none of the three agents is wearing a radio.
Also, the balding agent who ultimately ends up on the news
vehicle is photographed being carried from the back of the AMT ambulance
in the complex driveway, in a sleeping bag, toward the news truck. Why?
Though the TV newsman who helped evacuate the agents on the day
of the raid seemed very upset when he gave his initial reports of the
incident on February 28, he has since developed a friendly rapport
with the Davidian survivors, and even attended one of their wedding
ceremonies as a guest.
If the incident occured as he, "the only reporter on the scene,"
originally reported, that is, the "agents were immediately pinned down
by gunfire coming through the walls," and subsequently helped carry
out some of the reported 20 fallen agents, I doubt he would be able to
befriend the perpetrators of such heinous carnage so soon after the
Though little attention has been directed at the methods employed
by federal agents conducting the raid, the public must ask if we as a
democratic society are prepared for armed assaults such as this, where
agents are seen throwing hand grenades and concussive devices blindly
into windows and firing MP5 submachine guns into and through the walls
of what is legally described on the McLennan County tax rolls as a church.
Further, if survivors' accounts that helicopters fired
indiscriminately through the roof are true, then truly little is left of
our precious right to feel secure in our own persons and properties
against unreasonable searches and seizures.
The testimony of the attorneys who saw first hand the bullet-
riddled ceilings will affirm that, yes, the helicopters took their toll.
BATF SPOKESPERSONS LIED
BATF spokespersons originally maintained no fully automatic
weaponry was used in the raid, but in checking the inventory list filed
by the government, several MP5 Heckler-Koch full-auto submachine guns
were used by the BATF and turned in for test firing at the forensic lab.
It has now been learned the Davidians did not return the fire
of the BATF for several minutes, if at all.
Most of the rifles in the church were boxed for the coming gun
show in Austin or had been removed from the scene prior to the raid by
Paul Fetta earlier that day.
If this is true, how did the Davidians fight back? The answer,
judging from examination of the outbuildings, trees, poles and vehicles,
is they didn't. I could find no evidence of a shoot-out.
GENT, SCHROEDER DEATHS
The events surrounding the deaths of Peter Gent and Michael
Schroeder deserve to be scrutinized separately from the raid, because
evidence suggests both men were killed well after the initial hostilities
had subsided, and that neither man posed a threat to law enforcement.
Schroeder, 28, was killed walking home from work on a neighboring
ranch. He was shot seven times, four in the back.
Gent, 23, was climbing out of the water tower he'd been working
in that morning. BATF claims he was shot by a sniper on the ground.
The Davidians believe he was shot from a helicopter.
In any event, the families surely will file civil suits which
hopefully will allow greater discussion in those cases.
The conclusion here is, the raid was poorly planned, would never
have worked under even ideal conditions. Conditions were less than ideal
(rainy, cold, muddy, slippery, poor visibility) for this type of action.
There was a complete breakdown in communications of prisoners and
casualties. In short the people inside the complex were systematically
There are other issues that need to be resolved.
Why were these people assassinated? Did undercover agents who
remained in or penetrated the complex on February 28 systematically
terminate selected adults inside the complex? Was such a costly endeavor
in terms of both human life and dollars really carried out merely to
search for suspected illegal weapons?
In a building this size and given the number of occupants therein,
is it prudent or even sane to try an individual in court on an illegal
weapons charge? All of these people were individuals. They were free
to come and go as they pleased, many were in California or other parts
of the country at the time of the raid. Some had been in the sect only
a short while. A few were only visiting.
Is it fair that our courts seem bent upon heaping whatever
unlawful actions residents of Mount Carmel may or may not have committed
onto the back of David Koresh? What about the lawfulness of prosecuting
a group as though they are part of some individual organism like insects
or ants? Is this not guilt by association?
But the most important question of all is, "Why did representatives
of the federal government admittedly lie to the press and the American
people throughout the tragedy? What lies will be told by the government
as the impending trials commence? Will they send us a signal or message
to let the press and the public know that the lies and propaganda have
stopped and hence forth issue only the truth?"
Because of these unanswered questions, as well as others, we
the people must demand an independent investigation team be appointed,
with subpoena powers and power to grant limited immunity as prescribed
under the law. The full extent of the Waco debacle and coverup must be
exposed, or there can be no guarantee against these atrocities occuring
again in the future.
End of Article
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conclusions call (214) 771-9612; or write:
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From: email@example.com (ALEXANDER MICHAEL)
Subject: Re: Bentsen's Assertions Re Koresh
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 93 15:58:15 GMT
In article firstname.lastname@example.org (David Feustel) writes:
>Lloyd Bentsen made the following assertions regarding Koresh on the
>MacNeil/Lehrer News Hour on Thursday, Sept. 30, 1993.
>1) There was an arrest warrant for Koresh at the time of the initial
>raid on the BD compound. (Implied by Bentsen's statement) that Koresh
>could have been arrested outside of the compound instead of raiding the
>compound to arrest Koresh).
>2) The BD's fired on the BATF before the BATF fired on the BD's.
>3) Koresh was a "violent man".
>4) Koresh and the other BD's had illegal guns and illegal explosives
>at the compound.
>Can anyone supply verifiable references to conclusive evidence proving or
>disproving these assertions? Thanks.
Never mind the old theory of "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law."
It doesn't matter what evidence they had, suspicion does not justify an armed
attack. Just think of what could happen if all law enforcement agencies took
this stand: Highway Patrol officers removing speeders with TOW's, the IRS
starting up their own shock troops (why not, the BATF is a tax division) and
auditing you with a sqaud of snipers ready to take you out if you even look
like you might be thinking of turning on the computer to delete those records,
parking tickets with car-bombs... Lovelly thought, isn't it?
>Dave Feustel N9MYI
>The Federal Government is running Amuck and We Citizens are in the Way!
From: email@example.com (Rod Lilak)
Subject: Re: Bentsen's Assertions Re Koresh
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 19:35:30 GMT
>1) There was an arrest warrant for Koresh at the time of the initial
>raid on the BD compound. (Implied by Bentsen's statement) that Koresh
>could have been arrested outside of the compound instead of raiding the
>compound to arrest Koresh).
If there really was an ARREST WARRANT then why wasn't it released at the same
time as the SEARCH WARRANT ?
And, given that the 'guns' in question belonged to the davidians in a communal
sense, why an arrest warrant for JUST ONE MAN when physical possesion of
a non-taxed NFA weapon is the alledged crime ?
IMO - the term 'arrest warrant' is really subterfuge to camoflage the fact
that the search was based on faulty evidence and that the BATF goons had no
business mounting a paramilitary assault.
Shot at while serving a search warrant with excessive use of force doesn't
garner near the sympathy from government apologists in the media that
shot at while attempting an ARREST does.
>3) Koresh was a "violent man".
Could one of the pro-BATF apologists please explain how a 'violent man'
would allow a cease fire so that the BATF could evacuate/retrieve their
The Founding Fathers had the Boston Massacre.
We've got Waco.
I don't speak for my company. We hire the 'Politically Correct' to do that.
From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Donald R. McGregor)
Subject: Re: Isn't Justice Representative? (Was Re: AMERICANS DEMAND PROSECUTIONS FOR WACO MASSACRE)
Date: 2 Oct 1993 14:18:47 -0700
In article <email@example.com> pscotto@MtHolyoke.edu (Peter J. Scotto) writes:
>Besides, I asked whether anyone "in *or* out of government" was pushing
>for prosecution. *What* is the big problem???????
From the SF Chronicle, 10/2
"The treasury department inspector general's office has begun a study
of whether criminal charges should be sought against senior bureau
officials for their conduct after February's failed raid against
the Branch Davidian compound.
'We will review the report ot identify potential criminal wrongdoing'
by BATF adminstrators, said Rober Cesca, Treasury deputy inspector
general. 'If allegations are found, we will refer it to a US
attorney,' who would decide whether to begin a full-scale investigation
by the inspector general's office."
So apparently they're only on the hook for the attempted coverup, not
the actual assault.
Don McGregor | The Beavs are just saving their first
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