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From: lbueno@shell.portal.com (Louis Alberto Bueno) Subject: The ATF-Waco Report Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 04:58:37 GMT Well, it's official. The Treasury Department released today (Thursday, September 30) a potentially scathing report on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms raid of the Branch Davidian compound near Waco, Texas. The ATF officials who had botched the initial raid this past February lied to their superiors, the police and the news media, as well as altering written reports to conceal their own errors. The 300-page report pointed out that the raid itself was "botched" insofar as that even after agents knew that the element of surprise had been lost and that they were not prepared for a shootout with the Branch Davidians, they proceeded anyway. (This last part is very important, as the ATF team leaders had been specifically instructed not to move in if the element of surprise was lost because the agents were not readily armed for the type of armed standoff which ensued with the BDs.) As a result, four agents were killed and 20 wounded in a 45-minute shootout, in which six BDs died as well. As everyone here knows well, this led to a 51-day standoff that ended in a fiery blaze that totally consumed the BD compound, which resulted in the death of 85 BDs, among which were 29 children. The report notes that Charles Sarabyn, assistant to Phillip Chojancki (the special agent in charge of the Houston ATF office), had been informed by an undercover agent, Robert Rodriguez, that David Koresh had been tipped off to the raid FORTY minutes before it occurred by one of his followers who had spoken to a TV cameraman who was preparing to cover the assault. Treasury Secretary Lloyd Bentsen, remarking on this, said the commanders "erred by failing to abort the mission," adding, "I don't know what went on in the man's mind when he made the decision ... in absolute violation of the instructions." Days after the shootout, Sarabyn and Chojancki told their superiors that they had no prior knowledge that Koresh would be prepared for the raid, even though field agents who were on the scene were telling investigators and Texas Rangers that the two agents in charge were lying. Stephen Higgins, who was acting head of the ATF at the time (who has retired prior to the release of this report), went on national TV a week later after the shootout and firmly denied that Koresh had any prior knowledge of an impending raid. He said "We would not send our agents into a situation where we didn't think we had the element of surprise." Higgins was criticized in the report for failing to actively pursue media claims that his field commanders were being "less than truthful" about the raid. Only after being confronted with more than 60 witnesses did Sarabyn admit he knew Koresh was ready for the ATF. The report said Higgins should not have taken the field commanders' claims at face value, considering the amount of circumstancial evidence. Another cover-up that was revealed in the report is that the two supervising agents had also doctored the raid plan before submitting it to the Texas Rangers, who were investigating the botched raid at the time. The two agents claimed that they were only sought "to revise the plan to make it more thorough and complete," even though it's apparent that they were only seeking to cover up their own mistakes in the affair. The report went on to criticize the ATF for not seeking alternative plans to seperate Koresh from his arsenal of weapons before arresting him, as well as stating that there are "serious, systemic defects in ATF's ability to plan for and to conduct large-scale tactical operations." Other quotes from the 300-page report: "Unfortunately, the investigation also found disturbing evidence of flawed decision-making, inadequate intelligence gathering, miscommunication, supervisory failures and deliberately misleading post-raid statements." "Despite knowing in advance that the element of surprise was lost, the raid commanders made the decision to go forward. This decision was brutally exploited by Branch Davidian leader David Koresh and his followers." "Higgins must accept responsibility for continuing to take public positions on the issue when repeated questions from the media and information readily available to him should have made it clear that he was on shaky ground. Higgins never adequately questioned his subordinates to determine the facts until early April." "ATF's management, perhaps out of misplaced desire to protect the agency from criticism, offered accounts based on Chojnacki and Sarabyn's statements, disregarding clear evidence that those statements were false." "The problems here rest as much in the planning process as in the plan itself. Not only were the planners, led by Sarabyn, too quick in concluding that a massive mid-morning raid was the best possible enforcement option, but they chose a plan whose window of opportunity might have been far smaller than they realized." And finally, from Bentsen himself: "Mistakes and errors in judgment were made. Numerous officials were less than truthful about the facts." Siempre, --Louis From eab@msc.edu Sun Oct 10 13:34:48 1993 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 93 10:58:33 -0500 From: eab@msc.edu (Edward Bertsch) To: alk@msc.edu Subject: Re: Waco report available from Gov. printing office - talk.politics.guns #72527 In article <1993Oct8.180344.23427@Csli.Stanford.EDU>, cower@csli.stanford.edu (Richard Cower) writes: |> |> The order number for the Waco report was incorrect in an earlier post, it |> might have been the ISBN number. The number is 048-000-00-447-4. It is over |> 500 pages, and costs $33, including shipping. Takes 3-4 wks. to arrive. The |> phone number for ordering it is 202-783-3238. |> |> ...rich -- Edward A. Bertsch (eab@msc.edu) Minnesota Supercomputer Center, Inc. Operations/User Services 1200 Washington Ave.So./Mpls MN 55415 +1 (612) 645-0168 voice mail [DISCLAIMER: MY OPINIONS; NOT MSCI'S] "An armed society is a polite society" -Robert A. Heinlein From: graul@socrates.ucsf.edu (Rick Graul) Subject: Re: FBI and Waco Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 22:17:43 GMT mycroft@colourbox.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) writes: >My question is this. You claim that looking at the situation objectively will >prove that allegations of child abuse, sexual and otherwise, and so forth were >merely lies constructed by the media for the express purpose of turning the >public opinion in favor of government intervention. Please tell me what are >your sources for this objectivity? How do you KNOW that these things weren't >happening? Unless you were there in the compound you cannot know for sure (and >even then your words would have to be taken in perspective as eye witnesses >often view the same event in different ways). The final report by the Treasury Department on the FBI admits that is no evidence of child abuse. I think it's safe to accept what the report says in this area, since it indicates that the FBI and the ATF were lying, because they claimed to have evidence of child abuse. But my concern isn't with what the reports said, it's with what they didn't say. What about all the questions raised by the Linda Thompson (AJF) video? Do the reports address these? I haven't actually seen the reports yet, but from what I've read, it seems that reports ignore these issues completely. What about the fact that one of the ATF agents can be seen lobbing a grenade and then shooting into a room where 3 other agents have just gone during the initial assault. These 3 agents ended up dead. What do the reports say about this? What I want to know is how the final report explains the flames bellowing out of the turret of one of the assult tanks as it pulls it's turret from the hole it's just punched into the compound. Does it even address this? Or how about the fact that another tank can be seen sitting over the exit of the underground bunker while the compound burns? What does the report say about this? Why were the fire trucks sent away just prior to the final assault? What about the fact that the compound sight was bulldozed before an independent investigation could be made, on the basis that it posed a health hazzard? How can the destruction of the evidence be justified? What does the report say about the weapons that were found? Where was the 50 calibur machine gun? Or, what about the meth lab? Where was that? This allegation enabled them to bring in the tanks. It seems to me that the reports have been largely a whitewash and have focused on the non-issues. One more question: Why is the media afraid to show the Linda Thompson video on TV? Rick -- Rick Graul graul@socrates.ucsf.edu Subject: "Thanks for calling, David - we'll be right over!" From: financial.opportunities@canrem.com (Financial Opportunities) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 15:25:00 -0400 Ken Fawcett, in his fascinating 6th October interview on RADIO FREE AMERICA [WWCR short-wave radio], highlighted another intriguing aspect of the Waco affair. Highly condensed, this is the substance of his allegations: The property at Mount Carmel was "owned" or "registered to" a George Roden before David Kuresh assumed responsibility for it. A Mr. Harvey was alleged to be running a pornography and/or drug business out of the premises at that time, and is alleged to have been "shielded" from prosecution in these endeavours by the District Attorney of McClennan County, Vic Feazell. The latter was apparently charged in connection with these allegations, but was acquitted in District Court. Feazell promptly sued A.H. Below [phonetic spelling], the major news organisation in North Texas, for $58 million [in 1986 or 1987], and reportedly received a $44 million award. Fawcett claimed that, while renovating Mount Carmel, Kuresh et al came across physical evidence which "proved" that the statements that had been previously made concerning the drugs and pornography operations carried on there were actually true, and that this evidence would have had the effect of reversing the $44 million dollar award to Feazell. When he drew this to the attention of the local Sheriff he was told to "bury it". Instead, he cached it in a shed just off the complex. After the fire and subsequent destruction, Fawcett said that he found the evidence casually thrown onto a heap of rubbish at the site, as being of no value or significance, by government investigators who had previously combed through the rubble. He said that he carefully videotaped it all, and now has it stored safely. He theorized that third parties "lured" the ATF in to destroy or [without their knowledge] assist in the recovery of this evidence; the ATF, he asserted, were only too happy to get involved, not knowing the full ramifications, because they desperately needed a safe but spectacular raid to boost their standing at up-coming appropriation hearings. They apparently trained for 8 months in advance for the raid, notified T.V. and newspapers the Saturday in advance, then bungled it. Please route any disagreements to Ken Fawcett and not to yours truly! Cheers! John W. From: milo@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Michele Lord) Subject: Feds Assume Power Above and Beyond Law Date: 18 Oct 93 02:34:36 GMT Without permission from the Rocky Mountain News, Oct. 16, 1993. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Feds Assume Powers Above and Beyond Law by Paul Craig Roberts Have the police powers of our government become too great? The government's own reports on the assault on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, paint a picture of law authorities running amok and squandering the lives of scores of men, women and children. The Treasury Department's report is by far the most critical. It blames Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms officials for botching the raid on the compound and then engaging in deception to hide their mistakes. The bureau's director has resigned, and five officials have been placed on administrative leave pending further action. The Justice Department's report contradicts Attorney General Janet REno's reasons for ordering the fatal attack, but raises more questions than it answers by exonerating all high-ranking FBI and Justice Department officials. But more is amiss here than a botched raid and possible conflict of interest. Both reports gloss over many legal irregularities and the government's hostile attitude toward the Davidians that led to the disaster. The Treasury's report notes that despite its shortcomings, "the raid fit within an historic, well-established and well-defended government interest in prohibiting and breaking up groups that sought to arm or fortify themselves." Once the decision was made to bust up the group, the legal niceties that constrain government behavior became casualties. Some of the evidence used to obtain the warrant that launched the initial raid apparently was false or fabricated. Film footage of the violent assault and tapes of telephone conversations with Davidian leader David Koresh do not appear to be consistent with the government's explanation of events leading to the fiery deaths in the compound. The government committed more wrongs than merely proceeding with an attack in full knowledge that the Davidians were expecting them. By not honestly addressing these wrongs, both reports constitute a whitewash. Something similar happened in Idaho, where federal marshals killed two members of Randy Weaver's family after deciding that the family, living in an isolated cabin in the mountains, constituted a dangerous gang of "white supremacists." Having suppressed this armed group residing within its borders, the U.S. brought Weaver to trial. But the jury sided with Weaver and threw out the case, and U.S. District Judge Edward Lodge excoriated the FBI for withholding evidence about what really happened. Like it or not, federal agents have assumed the power to decide whose beliefs are permissible and to use deadly force to regulate the behavior of those deemed to be outcasts. Nothing in our law gives government this power. If we permit this illegitimate power to be used against fringe elements, it will gain legitimacy and threaten us all. In the post-war era, anti-communism and law-and-order issues rallied many Americans to the defense of the state. In the process we neglected to note that many of the means we chose also permitted the emergence of government power that is accountable only to itself. The Waco disaster offered an opportunity to confront this issue, but the Treasury and Justice reports have successfully evaded it. As Rep. Don Edwards, D., Calif., chairman of the Judiciary Subcommittee on Civil and Constitutional Rights, observed, the governments report is "very disappointing." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michele Lord + If you have come here to help me, + you are wasting your time..... + But if you have come because + your liberation is bound up with mine, milo@scicom.alphacdc.com + then let us work together. Aboriginal Woman ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu Subject: More on the Waco Massacre Date: 29 Oct 93 10:30:57 CST Ken Fawcett, a private citizen who resides in the Waco area, was disturbed by the events at Waco and launched his own investigative review of the matter. He made the following contribution to The SPOTLIGHT. jwg ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From The SPOTLIGHT, Oct. 25, 1993 Official Evidence of Texas Raid Doesn't Jibe With Evidence The conclusions of an independent investigation into the events surrounding the bloody raid on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco reveal numerous discrepancies between the official version and that of witnesses, tape recordings and photographs. By Ken Fawcett The raid on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco was initially planned as a very safe operation to bolster a sliding public image and at the same time accentuate the need for more gun control. Scripted responses of being "outgunned," made by Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (BATF) spokesperson Sharon Wheeler, indicate a third possible motive, an impending request in appropriations for additional funding for heavier and costlier tactical ordnance. The search and arrest warrants, as has been previously pointed out, are fraught with errors and assumptions. Most of the warrants contained extremely stale, slanted and vindictive information obtained from the embittered, banished "prophet" Marc Breault. Breault's affidavit, obtained from a 1992 child custody hearing, forms most of the government's probable cause. Breault had not been in the group since 1989. Breault is legally blind, and his statements of having seen stockpiles of weapons and instances of child abuse are in reference to "dreams or visions" he had. SERIOUS QUESTIONS The fact a warrant was granted at all raises serious questions about whether collusion exists between McLennan County officials, the district court, the U.S. Attorney's Office, and/or the BATF. In any case, a "no-knock" warrant was not issued, meaning BATF had no authority to be smashing windows or clambering on the roof. The raid was not designed or planned to allow for casualties on either side. However, the circumstances surrounding two of the four BATF fatalities warrant deeper study with possible criminal action against persons within the BATF, Texas Department of Public Safety and McLennan County Sheriff's Office for charges ranging from obstruction of justice to murder. The deaths of the other two asgents and most of the five injuries resulted accidentally because a three-pront armed assault was mounted upon what amounted to little more than a cardboard box. It is unclear at this stage why the BATF injuries were overstated in comparison to those acknowledged by raid commanders Ted Royster, Phil Chojnacki, and Chuck Sarabyn as recorded on the 911 tapes. DISTURBING It's very disturbing that two of the dead agents had publicly criticized the BATF top-level managers on national television about two years earlier. The agents had their identities electronically concealed, but CBS was able to release this information now that the agents had died. In the weeks following the raid, BATF claimed the raid failed because the element of surprise was lost, when, in actuality, the raid depended upon the occupants of the complex being forewarned so as to allow for the evacuation of children and women to bunkers or lower floors from their normal residences on the second and third floors. This is confirmed in conversation between Sheriff Lt. Larry Lynch and Waco Police dispatcher Jayni Sykora. On tape 1, side A, Miss Sykora says, "Sure hope those kids are out of the way." Lynch responds, "No, he says, 'There's kids in here...' "We know that. They've got some underground stuff." When the undercover agent known as Robert Gonzales realized David Koresh was not overly paranoid about the impending raid, that is, he was not ordering the children into the bunkers, he tried to stop the assault. Attempts included honking the horn and flashing headlights. Indeed, the agents who stopped sect member David Jones were able to view his car subsequently travel to the complex, to alert his friends, at least 45 minutes before the raid ever commenced. Numerous experts have testified that surprise was impossible on such an isolated structure, and to insist the BATF was "ambushed" is an affront to intelligence of the American people. Statements from sect survivors indicate underground tunnels were collapsed by heavy rains or otherwise unusable. Close-ups of the front of the building reveal almost all BATF fire from the front went into the second and third floor, principally to the right or south of the front door. A BATF blueprint of the building with names of sect members written in, reflects where people were stationed during the raid. These positions were affirmed by tape recorded phone conversations with sect members remanded into the jail. Not surprisingly all but four of the 21 persons shown stationed on the second and third floor, south end, are among the eventual fatalities. UNARMED WOMEN AND CHILDREN Examination of the vehicles that agents fired from behind reveals few projectiles came from the building and those that did entered from ground level trajectories. This confirms earlier reports that only unarmed women and children were on the upper floors. Why then are those agents directing their fire upstairs in all videotape segments of the front parking lot? Why would they not return fire toward the emanating points of what controlled fire they were receiving? BATF spokesperson Ed Hartnett says publicly on March 1 that gunfire from the front was controlled. Statements by David to CNN and KRLD and even to the dispatcher at the 911 center about some of his children being killed are supportive of the mathematical calculations on collateral damage, given the construction of the building and the type of ammo used by the BATF. BATF spokesmen are now being reprimanded for repeatedly lying to the public. Covering up the botched raid is not sufficient to warrant the expenses the BATF and FBI delved out in the so-called stand-off. The only thing worthy of such a massive cover-up is what came out in the end anyway, that a disproportionate number of children and women were killed as a result of the activities of the very first day. The specification of aluminum powder in the BATF search warrant is foreboding of what was pumped into the fire on April 19. REFRIGERATOR MELTED The medical examiner in Fort Worth, Dr. Rodney Crowe, stated in a taped interview July 30 that the walk-in refrigerator contained within the above-ground concrete blockhouse (bunker) was melted. FBI agent Bob Ricks said he believes many of the women and children tried to "bunker down" inside this refrigerator. A fire, without some kind of metal powder accelerant, would be incapable of melting a stainless steel refrigerator contained in a concrete enclosure. Widely distributed video footage depicting three agents smashing into a rooftop window and then appearing to engage in a gunfight in the room was a staged event "for the camera." This is acknowledged by Sheriff Jack Harwell in a taped telephone call to David Koresh. During this call Harwell asks Koresh his "position." The response is "What? They killed a baby girl. There's crippled. There's dying." BATF as of this writing freely admits that none of the agents shown on the tape died in the raid, and all are back at work. What was the justification for lying in the press briefings about the circumstances of the deaths of the agents. CONSTERNATION David Koresh listened intently to those conferences, and the consternation he suffered over being publicly accused of killing agents, one of whom was injured and helped by the Davidians, is evident in his statement to Sheriff Harwell, "We let 'em come in and get one of the guys. They said they didn't. That's a lie. That, there was--a couple of, uh, two or three guys upstairs, out--" Harwell interrupts that they (BATF) have changed that story, it was for the camera, whereupon Koresh states, "Well, it's all over the world." The latest version (now changed three times) of how and where the BATF agents died is that two died on the ground, one on the roof and one in the chapel. We have a videotape clip of an agent turning to his left and firing into the chapel from under an aluminum ladder. He then calls to the cameraman to summon an ambulance. Right after this segment on the tape another agent starts shouting instructions and asks who is on the roof. Three to four shots are fired, and a second agent shouts "No, Dino, no." An agent in the distance is heard to query, "Hey...Hey, is he aiming back over this way?" ACCOLADES TO POLICE With specific reference to the 911 tapes, accolades are due to the Waco, Texas Police Department for preserving those tapes in the face of incredible odds. Without the 911 tapes most of this investigation would have been limited to the chopped-up video of the raid, the statements from survivors and the recorded phone call between Harwell and Koresh. From these tapes it is evident that the government retained at least one operative inside the complex throughout the botched raid. The person is identified only as "Fred" on the tape. Fred says they are "faking gunfire with these people" after getting Miss Sykora's attention by addressing her as Ron. He wants media representatives to call him at Martin's phone number. Then he whispers into the phone heavily, "hang up the phone...Wheeler, hang up the phone." We learn on tape 6 that BATF agents believe all calls out of the complex had been diverted to the undercover house across the street. An agent named Dino is somewhat disturbed when Lynch tells him he's not across the street, but rather "downtown Waco, Texas" and that the call is being taped. BATF had forgotten to have Davidian Wayne Martin's business line diverted. RIGOR MORTIS Obviously the video tape and photos of agents being dragged out of the complex and carried on the news truck raise still more questions. Two of the agents exhibit advanced symptoms of rigor mortis. And from the time Martin first calls 911 to ask for the firing to stop until the time BATF claims to have removed its last injured agent from the scene, three full hours have elapsed. It is extremely clear from the tapes that either the BATF's communications are non-existent and/or the BATF forces view this as a military assault and will settle for nothing less than total victory. When Martin tells Lynch he has to pass the word on the cease fire, he's actually referring to passing the word out to the BATF forces. Corroborating evidence is seen on the videotape of the raid. Agents are shown here shielding the TV camera from viewing a corpse with a plastic bag over the head and torso. Though this location is behind an outhouse and is isolated from the main forces, none of the three agents is wearing a radio. Also, the balding agent who ultimately ends up on the news vehicle is photographed being carried from the back of the AMT ambulance in the complex driveway, in a sleeping bag, toward the news truck. Why? VERY UPSET Though the TV newsman who helped evacuate the agents on the day of the raid seemed very upset when he gave his initial reports of the incident on February 28, he has since developed a friendly rapport with the Davidian survivors, and even attended one of their wedding ceremonies as a guest. If the incident occured as he, "the only reporter on the scene," originally reported, that is, the "agents were immediately pinned down by gunfire coming through the walls," and subsequently helped carry out some of the reported 20 fallen agents, I doubt he would be able to befriend the perpetrators of such heinous carnage so soon after the crime. Though little attention has been directed at the methods employed by federal agents conducting the raid, the public must ask if we as a democratic society are prepared for armed assaults such as this, where agents are seen throwing hand grenades and concussive devices blindly into windows and firing MP5 submachine guns into and through the walls of what is legally described on the McLennan County tax rolls as a church. Further, if survivors' accounts that helicopters fired indiscriminately through the roof are true, then truly little is left of our precious right to feel secure in our own persons and properties against unreasonable searches and seizures. The testimony of the attorneys who saw first hand the bullet- riddled ceilings will affirm that, yes, the helicopters took their toll. BATF SPOKESPERSONS LIED BATF spokespersons originally maintained no fully automatic weaponry was used in the raid, but in checking the inventory list filed by the government, several MP5 Heckler-Koch full-auto submachine guns were used by the BATF and turned in for test firing at the forensic lab. It has now been learned the Davidians did not return the fire of the BATF for several minutes, if at all. Most of the rifles in the church were boxed for the coming gun show in Austin or had been removed from the scene prior to the raid by Paul Fetta earlier that day. If this is true, how did the Davidians fight back? The answer, judging from examination of the outbuildings, trees, poles and vehicles, is they didn't. I could find no evidence of a shoot-out. GENT, SCHROEDER DEATHS The events surrounding the deaths of Peter Gent and Michael Schroeder deserve to be scrutinized separately from the raid, because evidence suggests both men were killed well after the initial hostilities had subsided, and that neither man posed a threat to law enforcement. Schroeder, 28, was killed walking home from work on a neighboring ranch. He was shot seven times, four in the back. Gent, 23, was climbing out of the water tower he'd been working in that morning. BATF claims he was shot by a sniper on the ground. The Davidians believe he was shot from a helicopter. In any event, the families surely will file civil suits which hopefully will allow greater discussion in those cases. POORLY PLANNED The conclusion here is, the raid was poorly planned, would never have worked under even ideal conditions. Conditions were less than ideal (rainy, cold, muddy, slippery, poor visibility) for this type of action. There was a complete breakdown in communications of prisoners and casualties. In short the people inside the complex were systematically murdered. Why? There are other issues that need to be resolved. Why were these people assassinated? Did undercover agents who remained in or penetrated the complex on February 28 systematically terminate selected adults inside the complex? Was such a costly endeavor in terms of both human life and dollars really carried out merely to search for suspected illegal weapons? In a building this size and given the number of occupants therein, is it prudent or even sane to try an individual in court on an illegal weapons charge? All of these people were individuals. They were free to come and go as they pleased, many were in California or other parts of the country at the time of the raid. Some had been in the sect only a short while. A few were only visiting. Is it fair that our courts seem bent upon heaping whatever unlawful actions residents of Mount Carmel may or may not have committed onto the back of David Koresh? What about the lawfulness of prosecuting a group as though they are part of some individual organism like insects or ants? Is this not guilt by association? MOST IMPORTANT But the most important question of all is, "Why did representatives of the federal government admittedly lie to the press and the American people throughout the tragedy? What lies will be told by the government as the impending trials commence? Will they send us a signal or message to let the press and the public know that the lies and propaganda have stopped and hence forth issue only the truth?" Because of these unanswered questions, as well as others, we the people must demand an independent investigation team be appointed, with subpoena powers and power to grant limited immunity as prescribed under the law. The full extent of the Waco debacle and coverup must be exposed, or there can be no guarantee against these atrocities occuring again in the future. End of Article ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- To comment or receive copies of exhibits in support of these conclusions call (214) 771-9612; or write: Project Director/Treasurer Waco Independent Review 124 Linda Ln Royse City, Texas 75189 For a startling videotape revealing much of what is outlined in this article, see Waco, The Big Lie, by Linda Thompson. Available from: Liberty Library 300 Independence Ave. SE Washington, D.C. 20003 Price of tape: $20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe to The SPOTLIGHT, call: (800) 522-6292 [Toll Free] (301) 951-6292 [In Maryland] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --Joe Gaut -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Joe Gaut | "Hiding evil is the trademark of a Nacogdoches, Texas | totalitarian government." | --Senator Frank Church From: malexan@a.cs.okstate.edu (ALEXANDER MICHAEL) Subject: Re: Bentsen's Assertions Re Koresh Date: Fri, 1 Oct 93 15:58:15 GMT In article feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes: >Lloyd Bentsen made the following assertions regarding Koresh on the >MacNeil/Lehrer News Hour on Thursday, Sept. 30, 1993. > >1) There was an arrest warrant for Koresh at the time of the initial >raid on the BD compound. (Implied by Bentsen's statement) that Koresh >could have been arrested outside of the compound instead of raiding the >compound to arrest Koresh). > >2) The BD's fired on the BATF before the BATF fired on the BD's. > >3) Koresh was a "violent man". > >4) Koresh and the other BD's had illegal guns and illegal explosives >at the compound. > >Can anyone supply verifiable references to conclusive evidence proving or >disproving these assertions? Thanks. Never mind the old theory of "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law." It doesn't matter what evidence they had, suspicion does not justify an armed attack. Just think of what could happen if all law enforcement agencies took this stand: Highway Patrol officers removing speeders with TOW's, the IRS starting up their own shock troops (why not, the BATF is a tax division) and auditing you with a sqaud of snipers ready to take you out if you even look like you might be thinking of turning on the computer to delete those records, parking tickets with car-bombs... Lovelly thought, isn't it? --msa >-- >Dave Feustel N9MYI > >The Federal Government is running Amuck and We Citizens are in the Way! From: lilak@38auto.dec.com (Rod Lilak) Subject: Re: Bentsen's Assertions Re Koresh Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 19:35:30 GMT >1) There was an arrest warrant for Koresh at the time of the initial >raid on the BD compound. (Implied by Bentsen's statement) that Koresh >could have been arrested outside of the compound instead of raiding the >compound to arrest Koresh). > If there really was an ARREST WARRANT then why wasn't it released at the same time as the SEARCH WARRANT ? And, given that the 'guns' in question belonged to the davidians in a communal sense, why an arrest warrant for JUST ONE MAN when physical possesion of a non-taxed NFA weapon is the alledged crime ? IMO - the term 'arrest warrant' is really subterfuge to camoflage the fact that the search was based on faulty evidence and that the BATF goons had no business mounting a paramilitary assault. Shot at while serving a search warrant with excessive use of force doesn't garner near the sympathy from government apologists in the media that shot at while attempting an ARREST does. > >3) Koresh was a "violent man". > Could one of the pro-BATF apologists please explain how a 'violent man' would allow a cease fire so that the BATF could evacuate/retrieve their wounded ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Founding Fathers had the Boston Massacre. We've got Waco. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I don't speak for my company. We hire the 'Politically Correct' to do that. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: mcgredo@crl.com (Donald R. McGregor) Subject: Re: Isn't Justice Representative? (Was Re: AMERICANS DEMAND PROSECUTIONS FOR WACO MASSACRE) Date: 2 Oct 1993 14:18:47 -0700 In article <28a398$iqq@slab.mtholyoke.edu> pscotto@MtHolyoke.edu (Peter J. Scotto) writes: >Besides, I asked whether anyone "in *or* out of government" was pushing >for prosecution. *What* is the big problem??????? From the SF Chronicle, 10/2 "The treasury department inspector general's office has begun a study of whether criminal charges should be sought against senior bureau officials for their conduct after February's failed raid against the Branch Davidian compound. 'We will review the report ot identify potential criminal wrongdoing' by BATF adminstrators, said Rober Cesca, Treasury deputy inspector general. 'If allegations are found, we will refer it to a US attorney,' who would decide whether to begin a full-scale investigation by the inspector general's office." So apparently they're only on the hook for the attempted coverup, not the actual assault. -- Don McGregor | The Beavs are just saving their first mcgredo@crl.com | string for the Rose Bowl.

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