Subject: Alt.folklore.college Frequently Asked Questions Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 16:10:26 G

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college,alt.folklore.urban From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) Subject: Alt.folklore.college Frequently Asked Questions Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 16:10:26 GMT Last-Modified: 94/1/17 Version: 1.04C 17 January 1994 Official Usenet Alt.Folklore.College Frequently Posted Legends This is alt.folklore.college -- the newsgroup where nonsense is revered as an artform, and debunking has been taken to new heights. An offshoot of alt.folklore.urban, it discusses urban legends (ULs) about college life: all those great stories that a "friend of a friend" (FOAF) told you about how roommate suicides result in a 4.0 or libraries sinking because of the weight of the books. In other words, it's a great place to get a reality check on anything that "a friend" told you, or to compare notes about odd things. A NOTE TO NEW READERS: - We encourage you to post any stories you suspect may be an UL. Funny or whatever. Details matter! Please try to give as much as possible. BUT, be advised that many of the stories in the FAQ have been hashed over. If you wish to debate them, be prepared to substantiate your claim. The purpose of summarizing these frequently-seen legends is to provide a guide to veracity and their experience in this newsgroup. Most ULs cannot be traced back to original true incidents, but some, particularly the more recent ones can be. There are ULs which may, coincidentally, have a true manifestation, but a true manifestation does not deprive a UL of its legendary status. However, since many if not most ULs are false, where possible, I include a comment referring to a true incident, subject to sufficient evidence, of course. A DIGRESSION ON URBAN LEGENDS AND "FALSEHOOD" Occasionally, there is a post to the effect of: "That actually happened you st*p*d, f*ck*ng, b*st*rds, Jan Harold Brunvand is Polish, the FAQ list is wrong, the sun rises in the West and it's not an urban legend." As noted elsewhere in this list and by astute individuals on the net, an UL does not have to be false. If we take the example of "The Unsolvable Math Problem" (see below), we find that mathematician George Dantzig is the probable individual involved. So is this story no longer an UL? Jan Harold Brunvand addresses this issue thusly: "Despite finding its [The Unsolvable Math Problem] apparent origin, I continue to accept anonymous versions as legendary. Here's why." "An oral story is a story, whatever its origin. As long as a story continues to circulate in different variations, partly by word of mouth, we may regard it as folklore. But probably 'The Unsolvable Math Problem' legend should no longer be discussed as strictly 'apocryphal,' since we now seem to have found its source, and the deviations from the original incident are easily recognized and are not excessive." - JHB,_The Choking Doberman_, p. 282 Veracity is interesting but far from the only thing when it comes to the study of urban legends. MEANWHILE, BACK TO OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED PROGRAM . . . I have also begun to collect references to specific volumes of JHB's to document various classic ULs. This is a slow and on-going process. Acronyms for Jan Harold Brunvand's books in the list below are: TVH - _The Vanishing Hitchhiker_ TMP - _The Mexican Pet_ TCD - _The Choking Doberman_ CBA - _Curses! Broiled Again_ TBT - _The Baby Train_ Key to one liners below: T = 100% scientific truth Tb = believed true, but not conclusively proven F = 100% falsehood Ft = A legend, mostly untrue, but with a true occurence or known origin. Fb = believed false, but not conclusively proven U = unanswered and may be unanswerable P = Maybe it didn't happen, but it's scientifically possible (used extremely sparingly, where the opposite is expected, as it could apply to just about every legend) Please note that as the alt.folklore.college FAQ diverges from the alt.folklore.urban FAQ, different FAQs may reach different conclusions. ================================================================================ Categories are: - Absent-Minded Professors - The Facts of [College] Life - Sophomoric Shenanigans - It's Final - Staples - Eerie Erections ================================================================================ ABSENT-MINDED PROFESSORS T. Prof lists famous unsolved problems;student thought it was homework- solved! (Student was George Dantzig.) ["The Unsolvable Math Problem" in CBA.] T. No such luck with Fermat's Last Theorem. F. Princeton students rioted in celebration of the solution to Fermat's Last Theorem. Fb.Professor jostled; misses watch; grabs back from jostler; later finds at home [Variation of "The Jogger's Billfold" in TCD] [Possible source: Jack Lemmon in "The Prisoner of Second Avenue"] F. All universities have policy of when it's officially okay to leave class when professor is late. T. At least one university, Tennessee Tech, does have a 15-minute-late- okay-to-leave policy. Tb.UMass-Amherst professor makes habit of boffing virgins. THE FACTS OF COLLEGE LIFE F. College roommate commits suicide, gets you an automatic "A" for courses. ["The Suicide Rule" in CBA.] Tb.Many colleges do provide leniency on exams, or allow refunds for roommates, but it's usually on a case-by-case basis. T. Student gets tuition $ by asking for $0.01 from each person via newspaper. [Columnist Bob Greene helped along this Michigan student.] T. Students find rolled-up carpet; take and unroll in dorm room to find body. [Happened at Columbia; see 1/30/84 NY Times.] T. Student dies after getting stuck in Cornell fraternity chimney, 1992-93. Fb.Student kills self during exam by putting 2 pencils in nose and hitting desk. F. Girl is alone at home/dorm with dog; sleeps; hears noise and a dripping sound; is frightened but reaches to dog and feels a lick; goes back to sleep. In morning, finds dog hanged in shower and note under bed which says "humans can lick too." ["The Licked Hand" in TCD] F. Two co-eds alone in dorm; one goes to study; other in room; roomie hears heavy dragging sounds; blocks door; hears scratches; waits til morning; opens door to find other co-ed with ax in head who was scratching for help. ["The Roommate's Death" in TVH and TMP] [Variation: note left behind "aren't you glad you didn't open the door?"] F. Student raped during the five-minute "scream session" during finals; victim's cries drowned out in the cacophony. Tb.Dave Barry's friend stabbed himself in the head during a calculus exam with a pencil. SOPHOMORIC SHENANIGANS T. People's lawn gnomes/elves stolen; owners were sent letter/pics from exotic locations with the ornament. ["Roaming Gnomes" in CBA] Fb.Students buy a barber pole and drive the town. Stopped continually by police. F. Radio station welds antenna to railroad tracks, peeves the FCC by broadcasting nationwide. [Told about MIT and Swarthmore.] T. Caltech students disrupt Rose Bowl in sundry ways. T. MITfolk do the same to Harvard-Yale game. Tb.Rutgers grad student puts both Caltech and MIT to shame by bombing World Trade Center. T. Berkeley student suspended for going to classes naked. Fb.Kibo regularly reads alt.folklore.college. Spot doesn't--he's just a dog. F. Mikey (Life cereal) exploded from eating Pop Rocks with soda (You wish!) ["The Death of Little Mikey" in TCD] F. Student is regularly nocturnally chloroformed by roommate, for sodomy. Tb.This may have actually happened in the Dutch army. Those officers! Tb.Students fake such activity as good prank on passed-out drunk roommate. T. Students use variety of methods to make foolproof fake ID's. T. Students will admit to any number of felonies when posting to Usenet. F. Students play construction workers and police off of each other, each thinking the other are pranksters. Fb.Schoolkid beheaded by road sign, due to sticking his head out the bus window. T. New York car thief stole lab delivery of cadaver heads... Fb.Med student discovers cadaver is relative/friend. Fb.Med students play joke on tollbooth operator involving cadaver. T. Syracuse student steals skull from university archives, roommate reports it. U. Wisconsin student castrates, performs other surgery on himself, using mirrors to reduce his sex drive. F. Marauding gangs drive with lights out, kill those who flash lights at them. Tb.Cow-tipping (pushing over a sleeping cow) has happened. T. Cows sleep lying down. Tb.Cow-tipping is usually just a bunch of hooey to beguile city kids. U. The proper amount to tip a cow is 15%, 20% for especially good service. U. Cows fall in the other direction when tipped in the Southern Hemisphere due to the coriolis effect. IT'S FINAL Fb.Student cheats on exam, asks "do you know who I am?",jams paper in exam pile! ["Bluebook Legends" in TMP] Fb.Prof. gives "announced" quiz to surprised class after putting ad in paper. Fb.Prof. allows students to "bring in what they can carry for exam"; student carrys in a grad student (variation on allowing use of "Feynman"). Fb.Prof. nails exam thief by cutting bottom 0.5" of exam to find longer answer. Fb.Philosophy prof.'s 1 word exam: "Why?" "A" to student who replies "Why not?" [Many, many variations, including "What is courage""This", & "What chair?"]. T. Wise-ass teachers imitate the urban legend and have one-word exams. T. Same kind of teacher gives exam with patently bogus directions with last instruction being "Ignore all other directions." Fb.Low grading prof. grades same exam in successive semesters; gives higher grade each time. 4th time around (or so), writes: "Like it more each time". Fb.Student submits 20 yr old paper for class; prof. gives "A"; says he always liked it but he only got a "B" when he wrote it. [The above 6 Fb's are in "College Con Artists and How They Operate" in CBA] T. Professors make you erase programmable calculator memory for exams. Fb.Professor uses staircase method to grade exams. Fb.Squid dissections invariably involve the dissector getting squirted with ink by the dissectee. STAPLES F. One night stand, partner leaves early, other partner finds msg "Welcome to the world of AIDS". ["AIDS Mary" in CBA] F. Frat holds blood drive. Some grossly high % of frat donors are HIV positive. T. There are a remarkable number of unfunny puns on greek-letter societies. U. Cockroaches left over from "Creep Show" populate CMU basements. F. All fraternity members are rapists. T. Towson State study finds fraternities have the highest rape rates on campus. T. Athletes are second. Tb.It's generally not a good idea to provoke Ted into talking about frats. Tb.Geraldo Rivera went to University of Arizona as "Jerry Rivers." Fb.Abbie Hoffman was the first Sandwich Man at Brandeis; really used it as cover to sell drugs. Tb.The Sixties would be a dramatically different decade if not for Jerry Cohen. T. There seems to be quite a few university buildings named after Kresge. Fb.[Insert name of university here] invited to join Ivy League; turns down (or turned down) because of unwillingness to bolster athletic facilities. T. It's fairly common to be dissatisfied with one's campus newspaper and SGA. Fb.Co-ed loses tampon inside prior to blind date; worried; sees school intern; is acutely embarrassed. Her date shows up; it's the intern! Fb.Young man buys condom from pharmacist; he's embarrassed so boasts of date. He picks her up, pharmacist/dad answers the door! ["The Blind Date" in TMP] U. A plain-Jane coed invited to special night out by a BMOC. As she gets ready, has bad gas from lunch. Date arrives; so plans to fart in car before he gets in. She farts and quickly rows down window. Date gets in, says, "I'd like you to meet Tom and Mary in the backseat." ["The Fart in the Dark" in TVH.] T. Fried lemur is especially good in a mole sauce. T. Common UL mills include Dear Abby, Ann Landers, and Paul Harvey. T. Cecil Adams singles out Chicago and Brandeis students for their lack of sex lives. Tb.Agents of Cecil Adams have an account at Northwestern U. T. Nearly every college has statues that do something strange if a virgin graduates/walks by. Tb.Nearly every college thinks that they're on a Playboy top ten best/worst campuses for parties. F. UMass/Amherst's anti-discrimination policy protects pedophiles. EERIE ERECTIONS Tb.Number one cause of student deaths at UMass-Amherst is elevator accidents. F. Building is built backwards. Public criticizes; Architect commits suicide. Tb.There have been buildings built backwards. F. Various university libraries sink; books heavier than architect thought! F. Same as above, but pool not library, weight of water, not books. Tb.Above happened to Kodak; they use it to develop *big* pictures. Ft.Lots of bldgs (malls, etc.) are sinking into the ground as we post! [See "Back to the Drawing Board--Some Architectural Legends" in CBA] F. Architect student fails final project, becomes rich, donates $ to school on condition they use his final project as a blueprint. T. Some universities, cities are riddled with semi-secret utility tunnels. Fb.University of Chicago and Columbia have radioactive libraries. Fb.Campus library named after fabulously rich inventor of mundanity. [Variations: Q-Tips, zippers, etc.] T. University of Chicago library named after W. Judson, who *did* invent the zipper! (1/6/94 Chicago Tribune.) SOME REFERENCES: Cecil Adams (_The Straight Dope_, 1984, ISBN 0-345-33315-2 and_More of the Straight Dope_, 1988, ISBN 0-345-35145-2 both published by Ballantine Books). Author of "The Straight Dope" Q&A column of _The Chicago Reader_ and is syndicated in many alternative newspapers. Cecil is "a National Treasure" who "tells people what they actually want and need to know instead of useless rubbish." Worth reading if only for for his writing style. His readership, the Teeming Millions, is fanatically loyal. Spawned numerous inferior imitators. Jan Harold Brunvand (_The Vanishing Hitchhiker_, 1981, ISBN 0-393-95169-3; _The Choking Doberman_, 1984, ISBN 0-393-30321-7; _The Mexican Pet_, 1986, ISBN 0-393-30542-2; _Curses! Broiled Again_, 1989, ISBN 0-393-30711-5, _The Study of American Folklore_, 3rd Ed., 1978, all published by W.W. Norton). JHB is one of the leading folklorists today and has done much to popularize the study of ULs. Bruce Tindall and Mark Watson (_Did Mohawks Wear Mohawks?_ _And Other Wonders, Plunders, and Blunders_, Quill - William and Morrow, 1991. ISBN 0-688-09859-2.) S'all right, and only one wrong entry so far. But don't believe what they say about dalmatians, humans, and urea. You can even e-mail Bruce on the net to blast him. Peter van der Linden (_The Official Handbook of Practical Jokes_ Signet, ISBN 0-451-15873-3, 1989 and _The Second Official Handbook of Practical Jokes_, 1991, Signet, ISBN 0-451-16924-7). Do you want to get the scoop on practical jokes that actually have some real world validity rather than those by prepubescent college kids on bad banana peels? Try checking these two bricks^H^H^H^H^H^H books out. You'll find ULs, delightfully bad illustrations, and even practical jokes. It's only a coincidence that all of the above-mentioned authors have links to the Internet at one time or another. =============================================================================== An urban legend: * appears mysteriously and spreads spontaneously in varying forms * contains elements of humor or horror (the horror often "punishes" someone who flouts society's conventions). * makes good storytelling. * does NOT have to be false, although most are. ULs often have a basis in fact, but it's their life after-the-fact (particularly in reference to the second and third points) that gives them particular interest. If you enjoy alt.folklore.college, you'll just love alt.folklore.urban. =============================================================================== Unbounded thanks to: Jane Beckman, Steven Bellovin, Conrad Black, Mark Brader, Jack Campin, Raymond Chen, Joe Chew, Patrick S Clark, Cathi A.Cook, Cindy Davies, Jeff Davis, Scott Deerwester, Larry Doering, all the Terry's: Carroll, Chan, Monks, Wood, et al., David Esan, Ted Frank, Greg Franklin, Alan Frisbie, Kim Greer, Tom Greer, Dave Gross, Phil Gustafson, Jason R. Heimbaugh, David A. Honigs, David B. Horvath, Wendy Foran Howard, Mark Israel, Richard Joltes, Jim Jones, Cyndi Kandolf, Phil Kernick, Susan Mudgett, Bill Nelson, Tom Neff, Bob O'Brien, Christophe Pettus, Brian Scearce, Sean Smith, Randal Schwartz, Ken Shirriff, snopes, Haakon Styri, Bruce Tindall, Dwight Tovey, Peter van der Linden, Greg Widdicombe, and Dan Wright. alt.folklore.college additions contributed by Adam Bonin, Terry Chan, Raymond Chen, Chip Dunham, Christopher Dunlea, Ted Frank, Ryan Franklin, Phil Gustafson, Jason Hanson, Richard Hosker, Brian Leibowitz, Michael Reel, Sendhil Revuluri, Kivi Shapiro, and Samuel Weiler. OTHERS? Have you ever wondered how those people have gotten the name at the end of the FAQ list? They are people who are widely recognized as thoughtful posters of reliable information. They have consistently added value to various debates by sharing their point of view, and often researching difficult questions which arise on the net, and posting authoritative facts citing sources. The official way for joining the list of distinguished AFC-ers is to take one of these unanswered questions that come now and then, research it and reach a definitive conclusion (or demonstrate that one cannot be found). Post your findings. If the report is sound, and the original question was non-trivial, you will be added to the acknowledgements section of the FAQ list! Be prepared to submit references. We are mostly adults here (except around the beginning of the academic year). Be prepared to discuss and debate your research and conclusions here. The unofficial way to get on the list is to give me a big payoff (and it better be more than two-fifty). Original FAQ list for alt.folklore.urban by Peter van der Linden, Feb., 1991. Maintained by Terry Chan for a.f.u. since July 1991. Mildly tinkered with in a few trivial ways, PvdL, December 9, 1991 Masterfully improved formatting courtesy of Tom Neff, December 16, 1991. Modified and eviscerated for alt.folklore.college by Ted Frank, March 1, 1993. I'm looking for someone to take over the a.f.c FAQ. Write me if interested. -- ted frank | Disclaimer: I own two Julee Cruise CDs. the u of c | Warning: Quoting this .sig will screw up Kibo's grep. law school | [Take cover. UCC 2-712(1)] kibo#=0.5 | [Qualified employer plans. IRC 72(p)(4)(A)(i)(III)]

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