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[ref001] The Till-McDonald Debate [ref002] The Till-McDonald Debate The Till-McDonald Debate on the issue of Bible morality was held in Sullivan, Missouri, on July 29-30 and August 1-2. It was poorly attended, with a low of 12, besides participants and moderators, and a high of 19. The audience was obviously comprised of confirmed fundamentalists, who had come to see an agnostic take a good shellacking, for during the nightly question-answer period following the speeches, all questions from the audience were addressed to Till. None were directed to McDonald, although he had taken some absurdly ridiculous positions. As fundamentalists always do in debates on this issue, McDonald defended the massacres of the Midianites, Canaanites, and Amalekites as acts ordered by an infinite God who can do no moral wrong. In answer to a question Till directed to him, McDonald even said that if he had lived in biblical times, he would have willingly participated in these massacres by "personally killing old women, pregnant women, mothers, children, and infants." Apparently without seeing the absurd inconsistency in it, he later criticized Till for refusing to take a public stand against abortion. The position McDonald took in the debate was based entirely on an assumption of the existence of objective morality, "which emanates from the nature of God." Till emphasized that proof of this position would require McDonald to prove (1) that God exists, (2) that his nature is infinitely good, and (3) that this infinitely good god was Yahweh, who had commanded the Israelites to commit the massacres under consideration. Till repeatedly challenged McDonald, who claims that the Bible is his only guide in religious matters, even to cite a single scripture that says that "morality emanates from the nature of God." He was never able to do it. Like all Church-of-Christ preachers, McDonald piled assumption onto assumption throughout the debate and considered mere assertions to constitute proof. Several times he flashed a chart on the screen that listed 10 elements in his proposition that he had "proven": (1) God does exist, (2) objective morality does exist, (3) the Bible is of divine origin, (4) God is good, (5) God is merciful, (6) God is holy, (7) God has the attribute of wrath, (8) God hates sin and is sinless, (9) God is love, and (10) God is omniscient. Just to list the elements is enough to show the absurdity of McDonald's claim, because, with the possible exception of number seven, one would have to spend days and write volumes even to come close to presenting a reasonable defense of any one of the other nine and especially the first three. His "proof," of course, consisted primarily of scripture quotations that said the very thing he was trying to prove, and to the fundamentalist mind this is always sufficient. Although we were promised audio tapes after each session, we received them only after the first one, and they were not of good quality. The speakers were often interrupted to allow operators of recording equipment to correct problems and change tapes that ran out midway in a speech. As we prepare for press, we have received no word on availability or cost of tapes. Inquiries should be sent to Jerry McDonald, 97 Florence Street, Sullivan, MO 63080. FREE SUBSCRIPTION: A free one-year subscription to _The_Skeptical_ Review_ can be obtained by emailing [ref003]Jftill@aol.com or by writing to P.O. Box 717, Canton, IL 61520-0717. File contributed by [ref004]Farrell Till; page maintained by the [ref005]Internet Infidels. [ref006]Email: [ref007]infidel@freethought.tamu.edu [ref008]JL [ref009]Copyright © 1995 [ref010]Internet Infidels. HTML Reproduction Rights Reserved. [ref001] mailto:jlowder@atheist.tamu.edu [ref002] http://freethought.tamu.edu/mag/sr/1991/4/4back91.html [ref003] mailto:Jftill@aol.com [ref004] mailto:Jftill@aol.com [ref005] /infidel.html [ref006] mailto:infidel@freethought.tamu.edu [ref007] /cgi-bin/mail?infidel [ref008] http://atheist.tamu.edu/~jlowder/ [ref009] /copyright.html [ref010] /infidels/

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