RE: Arizona Republic editorial From the _Arizona Republic_ Weds. 27 Nov 1991 SATANISM'S AB

---
Master Index Current Directory Index Go to SkepticTank Go to Human Rights activist Keith Henson Go to Scientology cult

Skeptic Tank!

RE: Arizona Republic editorial From the _Arizona Republic_ Weds. 27 Nov 1991 SATANISM'S ABUSES PUT IT BEYOND THE BOUNDS OF TOLERANCE By Gregory Smith Mr. Smith is a refrigeration engineer and free-lance writer who lives in Phoenix. Animal dismemberment, blood drinking, torture of children, reports of human sacrifices and strange and deviate rituals held late at night. No, the preceeding sentence does not describe an old horror movie, aberrant book or the new off-Broadway play; it speaks of today's news reports. And it troubles me. It scares me. It repulses me. It makes me fear for not only for my own family members and pets, but also for the safety of the neighbor's child, the elderly lady down the street or even the cow in the field. Satanism. Even the word sounds evil to me. However, there are some people of great political might, who would say that the practice of Satanism is an expression of religious freedom. Everyone should have the freedom of religious preference as well as the right to worship whomever they choose - or so say the defender's of Satan worship. They would tell us that how, where, and in what manner someone chooses to practice his religion is none of our business. I think it is. I think that when a so-called religion uses torture, sacrifices - humans and animals - and abuses children to accommodate its god, it has passed the bounds of religious freedom and entered into the realm of criminal conduct and cultism. And I believe something needs to be done about it. Some law needs to be passed. Some person of courage needs to speak against this Satanic cultism. Some line must be drawn that would seperate what is religious freedom from what is cultism and criminal conduct. Where a religion causes pain, suffering, abuse or death of any living creature, the so- called worshipers should be prosecuted. The mere fact that a religious order demands abuse of any kind to living creatures should be enough for the authorities to monitor or restrict the practice of that religion, without waiting for some type of cruel death to occur. The citizens of this nation (most of them, anyway), in my opinion, would feel a bit safer if some restraints were put on the growing cult culture in this country as well. I am not advocating the "Big Brother" approach to religious orders. I don't suggest that the police attend all religious meetings. I merely suggest that if a particular group or order is known to employ cruelty, abuse or the death of some creature in the practice of its worship, action be taken before these offenses occur. I don't pretend to know all the causes of this growing cultism in our nation. Perhaps many things combine to cause it: drug abuse, family disintegretion, the poor and hypocritical showing of our TV evangelists, poverty, despair, parental neglect, music that feeds on our hate and depravity. I only know it troubles me. It worries me. It repulses me. It scares me. And it should frighten you as well. ------------------ --- * Origin: *DEUS EX MACHINA-BBS FREE ATENVELDT-(602)439-8070* (Opus 1:114/29) =-=-=-=-=-=-= To: The Bard Message #: 2882 From: The Bard Submitted: 04 Dec 91 14:02:00 Subject: Az Republic editorial (co Status: Public Received: No Group: CULT_WATCH (19) RE: Az Republic editorial (comment) tB> SATANISM'S ABUSES PUT IT BEYOND THE BOUNDS OF TOLERANCE tB> tB> By Gregory Smith tB> tB> Animal dismemberment, blood drinking, torture of children, tB>reports of human sacrifices and strange and deviate rituals held late at tB>night. tB> No, the preceeding sentence does not describe an old horror tB>movie, aberrant book or the new off-Broadway play; it speaks of today's tB>news reports. And, as usual, no solid proof is offered...... tB> Satanism. Even the word sounds evil to me. However, there tB>are some tB>people of great political might, who would say that the practice tB>of Satanism is an expression of religious freedom. Everyone tB>should have the freedom of religious preference as well as the tB>right to worship whomever they choose - or so say the defender's tB>of Satan worship. They would tell us that how, where, and in tB>what manner someone chooses to practice his religion is none tB>of our business. Well, the Constitution seems to say so.... tB> I think it is. I think that when a so-called religion uses tB>torture, tB>sacrifices - humans and animals - and abuses children to accommodate tB>its god, it has passed the bounds of religious freedom and entered tB>into the realm of criminal conduct and cultism. And, if this person would read the laws, he would find that such actions are covered already, -outside- of religious freedom. tB> And I believe something needs to be done about it. Some law tB>needs to tB>be passed. Some person of courage needs to speak against this tB>Satanic cultism. Some line must be drawn that would seperate tB>what is religious freedom from what is cultism and criminal tB>conduct. Where a religion causes pain, suffering, abuse or tB>death of any living creature, the so- called worshipers should tB>be prosecuted. tB> The mere fact that a religious order demands abuse of any kind tB>to tB>living creatures should be enough for the authorities to monitor tB>or restrict the practice of that religion, without waiting for tB>some type of cruel death to occur. The citizens of this nation tB>(most of them, anyway), in my opinion, would feel a bit safer tB>if some restraints were put on the growing cult culture in this tB>country as well. I suppose the author would include those "Christian" sects that let their children -die- rather than take medical treatment? tB> I am not advocating the "Big Brother" approach to religious tB>orders. I tB>don't suggest that the police attend all religious meetings. tB> I merely suggest that if a particular group or order is known tB>to employ cruelty, abuse or the death of some creature in the tB>practice of its worship, action be taken before these offenses tB>occur. ^^^^^^ AHA! A brand new idea in jurisprudence, and worthy of George Orwell and the totalitarian states! Lock 'em up just in case they -might- commit a crime! (Orwell called it "Crimethink." I have no love for those who might be cruel to animals or children. I have seen too much of both.....but I cannot see the abrogation of my, or anyone's, civil rights under the Constitution as a solution to this "problem." To: The Bard Message #: 2884 From: Bjorn Meaddranker Submitted: 04 Dec 91 23:26:00 Subject: Danger to us all.... Status: Public Received: No Group: CULT_WATCH (19) Some on here have intimated and outright stated that they fear the pagan elements of our comunity. At least one has equated many of the non-Christian religions with Adolph Hitler and Nazi Germany. Folks here is the real danger. It may not be as obvious as others but I suspect that the obvious ones we will avoid. It is the one like this where hysteria is whipped up and laws are passed to "save us" that will eventually get us. The Bard has pointed out, and quite correctly that laws already exist to protect us from these people. The minute they break the law they should be prosecuted. Not for their religious beliefs but for their actions. I would be willing to defend a Satanists' right to his beliefs and his right to worship, right up to his breaking the law. I can't imagine having one for a friend or volentarily associating with one, but he has his rights. If I deny him his rights who will garantee mine? If you won't defend my rights, what or who garantees yours? Remember Adolph Hitler worked exactly that way. Deprive a small insignificant group of their rights and every one ignored it. When it became their turn everybody ignored them. Today it is the Satanist, tomarrow the Wiccan, the next day the Morman, the day after perhaps it will be the Baptist. Feel this is far fetched? Re-read that editorial. Bjorn Meaddranker =-=-=-=-=-=-= To: Derek Steiger Message #: 3079 3076 3084 From: Bjorn Meaddranker Submitted: 05 Dec 91 13:24:00 Subject: the myth builders Status: Public Received: No Group: CULT_WATCH (19) > Although some satanist are just amatures looking for power > trips.. there are those who are highly intelligent, sophisticated, > and not stupid enough to leave any tracks! > How, with modern forensic(sp.) science, can you not leave tracks? The modern police departments have tools that are very close to impossible to fool. You can type blood back to one individual +- .01% chance of error from a drop of blood. There are modern records and database interactions that are eliminating the holes in society and sealing up cracks in record keeping. I would think that is this were wide spread as Mr. Larson supposes there ought to be a stream or flood of individuals being captured everytime a new tool comes on line. Have you seen this? I sure haven't. It is almost impossible to prove something doesn't exist, but Mr. Larson ought to be able to bring forth one iron clad, garanteed, unshakeable case. I haven't seen it. He seems to specialize in rumor, inuendo, and smear. If these things he publicly claims have any factual foundation how come he hasn't gone to the local law enforcement agencies? I think the answer is "He ain't got diddly" to quote my grandfather, and he knows it. But the rumor mongering and gossiping (that's what it is folks, it ain't news) is making him a fair amount of money and power, so expect him to keep doing it. Bjorn Meaddranker

---

E-Mail Fredric L. Rice / The Skeptic Tank