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(20) Mon 29 Aug 94 12:02 Rcvd: Fri 2 Sep 12:19 By: David Rice To: Fredric Rice Re: Chicken Oath #1 of 4 St: Rcvd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ @EID:3122 1d1d6040 @PID: ProBoard 2.01 rSr @TID: FastEcho 1.41/g 10280 with: Ryan Simpson FR> You may also take a chicken oath. Or a burned paper oath. Or FR> one of several other types of oaths which are equally bizzare. FR> In the chicken oath one beheads a chicken -- it was allowed by FR> the United States for Chinese rail workers to be questioned in FR> court. In another you write down some works on paper and burn FR> it up. There's one where you brea a dish. FR> FR> I kid you not. If you wish I can look up the chicken oath. I FR> have posted the material in this forum twice and so perhaps FR> Christopher Baker has it in his archives. I haven't thought of The Chicken Oath in months! I'm sure that Christopher Baker won't mind. . . . PLIGHT OF THE PAGAN POLICEMAN, PART VI by Kerr Cuhulain (Cult Watch Response, Vol 1, No 6) The other day I went looking for a Sergeant to affirm the affidavit on the back of an appearance notice that I'd issued to a party that I'd arrested for theft. Very briefly, this involved plunking it down in front of someone the rank of Sergeant or higher, taking an oath on religious scripture (eg: Bible, Koran, etc.) or making an affirmation (no scripture required). Being a Wiccan officer, I affirm my affidavits. This practice is rather rare, since Wiccan policemen are a rather rare commodity these days. Consequently, I often find that if the NCO that I plunk my affidavit in front of doesn't know me, he won't know the correct wording. So I have a copy of the correct wording on the back of my appearance notice book and a small contingency package for those special situations. As luck would have it, the only Sergeant available then was one newly assigned to our division and one who didn't know me. He'd never had a Pagan officer plunk an appearance notice for affirmation in front of him before. I therefore had to explain at length the procedure and reassure him that this was not some practical joke. Satisfied at last that this was a legal procedure under the Oaths Act, he signed the affidavit. He did not ask me what my beliefs were and I didn't volunteer the information. He then left the room. Now while this was happening, a Corporal, also newly arrived, was watching this procedure from across the roe of NCO's desks. As I walked away with my completed affidavit he said, "Well! Can you beat that! There ARE some agnostics in this department!" I stopped to squint at him. "Meaning me?" "Uh...yes." "What makes you think that I'm an agnostic?" "Well...uh...you don't believe in God." --- ProBoard v2.01 [Reg] * Origin: No Special Rights for Christians! (1:124/9005) SEEN-BY: 102/2 138 742 850 851 890 943 112/1 147/7 170/400 202/1 206/2708 SEEN-BY: 209/209 720 770 270/101 280/1 10 25 35 74 333 378 385 500 290/627 SEEN-BY: 396/1 3615/50 @PATH: 124/9005 9023 1 396/1 280/1 209/720 102/2 851 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (21) Mon 29 Aug 94 12:02 Rcvd: Fri 2 Sep 12:20 By: David Rice To: Fredric Rice Re: Chicken Oath #2 of 4 St: Rcvd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ @EID:0222 1d1d6040 @PID: ProBoard 2.01 rSr @TID: FastEcho 1.41/g 10280 PLIGHT OF THE PAGAN POLICEMAN, PART VI by Kerr Cuhulain (Cult Watch Response, Vol 1, No 6) --------------------------------------------------------------- I picked up the Websters dictionary on the Sergeants desk and, flipping it open read the definition of agnostic to the Corporal: "one who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable." I then continued, "What makes you think that I don't believe in something other than Jehovah?" "Do you?" "Yes." The Corporal now had a puzzled expression on his face. He stammered, "But...you must be an atheist. There isn't anything else." I flipped to another page: "Atheism: `a disbelief in the existence of deity.' There are plenty of other deities out there. What about Buddhism, Islam, Sikhism...?" "Oh, but those are false faiths." "What's real then?" The Corporal puffed himself up and adopted his best Sermon For The Pulpit Posture. He then said: "I'm a Catholic. The source of our problems is that people have turned away from the Bible. I believe that the problems of the world today would all be solved if we did what it tells us to do in the Bible." "What about Lebanon?", I replied, "or Northern Ireland? You've got different Christian sects running about saying, `My way or the highway', and bumping each other off." The Corporal had a condescending smile on his face as he replied: "That's just the point! It says right in the Bible, `Thou shalt not kill.'" "It says in the next chapter to go into Canaan and kill everything that you find there," I shot back. "It does?" "Yup." I started to leave at this point, having reports to be written. He was rapidly leafing through his Bible to see if I was right. I grabbed some papers from my briefcase and started for the report writing room door. He called after me: "Wait a minute. Do all of you non-Christians use the affirmation thing?" --- ProBoard v2.01 [Reg] * Origin: No Special Rights for Christians! 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These papers were excerpts from the British Columbia Courts Operating Manual. These excerpts listed the following real and legal oaths used by the occasional Oriental who ends up on the witness stand in my province: "7. CHINESE NON-CHRISTIAN OATHS: "A) PAPER OATH (Civil) "The witness writes his name on a piece of paper and takes the following oath while burning the paper: `The evidence which you shall give to the Court shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, or your soul shall be consumed by fire as is this paper.' "C) SAUCER OATH ( Civil and Criminal) "The witness, on taking the stand, kneels down, and the Clerk places in his hand a China saucer whereupon the witness breaks it against the box. The Clerk then administers the following oath, `You shall tell the truth, the whole truth; the saucer is cracked and if you do not tell the truth, your soul will be cracked like the saucer.' "D) CHICKEN OATH (Civil and Criminal): "The witness is handed a piece of paper with the following writing: `Oath made by (witness signs his name). Being a true witness, I shall enjoy happiness and my sons and grandsons will prosper forever. `If I give false evidence I shall die on the street, earth will destroy me, and I shall forever suffer in adversity, and all my offspring will be exterminated. In burning this Oath, I humbly submit myself to the Will of Heaven which has brilliant eyes to see. The _______year of the Reign of ______________ the day, the _____________ Moon.' (witness signs his name.) "The witness having signed his name twice, and a cock having been procured, the Court (and Jury) adjourns to a convenient place outside the building where the full ceremony of administering the oath is performed. A block of wood, an axe or knife, not less than three punk sticks, a pair of candles and Joss paper being obtained, Chinese candles are stuck in the ground and lighted. The oath is then read out loud by the witness, after which he wraps it in Joss paper as used in religious ceremonies. The witness then lays the cock on the block and chops its head off, then sets fire to the oath from the candles and holds it until it is consumed." --- ProBoard v2.01 [Reg] * Origin: No Special Rights for Christians! (1:124/9005) SEEN-BY: 102/2 138 742 850 851 890 943 112/1 147/7 170/400 202/1 206/2708 SEEN-BY: 209/209 720 770 270/101 280/1 10 25 35 74 333 378 385 500 290/627 SEEN-BY: 396/1 3615/50 @PATH: 124/9005 9023 1 396/1 280/1 209/720 102/2 851 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (23) Mon 29 Aug 94 12:03 Rcvd: Fri 2 Sep 12:22 By: David Rice To: Fredric Rice Re: Chicken Oath #4 of 4 St: Rcvd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ @EID:6422 1d1d6060 @PID: ProBoard 2.01 rSr @TID: FastEcho 1.41/g 10280 PLIGHT OF THE PAGAN POLICEMAN, PART VI by Kerr Cuhulain (Cult Watch Response, Vol 1, No 6) --------------------------------------------------------------- I've omitted the criminal version of the "paper oath" and a "candle oath", but you get the point. The Corporal looked as if his world was collapsing around his ears as he read this. I suppose that he had imagined that the legal system was exclusively Christian and that he was surrounded by Christian officers at work. "This is real?" "That's affirmative." "Seriously?" "No sh*t." I started to leave again, but he called to me one last time. "Wait! Wait! What do YOU believe in then?" I paused in the doorway. "You really want to know?" "Yes." "Objective, professional and fair police work." "No! No! I mean what do you BELIEVE in?" "Oh that." "Yes." "Mom." "Pardon?" "Mom." "Your Mother?" "Nope. Ours." "I don't understand," he said, a thousand yard stare on his face. "You got that right," I said as I turned and left the room. Fortunately, not all Catholics are as intolerant as this guy seems to be. I wonder what he'll do some day if he makes Sergeant and someone asks him to affirm an affidavit? Maybe they'll ask for a Chicken Oath. That I'd like to see! --- ProBoard v2.01 [Reg] * Origin: No Special Rights for Christians! 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