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(128) Wed 1 Jun 94 3:17 Rcvd: Fri 3 Jun 23:27 By: lippard@ccit.arizona.edu, Central Computer Banks-mcws (1:102/851) To: Fredric Rice Re: Re: David Fasold St: Pvt Rcvd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From cheshire.oxy.edu!CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU!LIPPARD From: LIPPARD@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU ("James J. Lippard") To: Fredric.Rice@f890.n102.z1.fidonet.org Date: Wed, 01 Jun 1994 00:43:34 -0700 (MST) Fredric: Yes, I have spoken with David Fasold on the telephone a couple of times. He was a source of information for my Ark hoax article in _Skeptic_. (If you haven't seen it, the published version is on rtd.com in /pub/zines/skeptic, along with other _Skeptic_ articles.) I consider Fasold to be of quite questionable reliability. When I spoke to him, he advocated all manner of Velikovskian-type thinking. He has a favored Ark site--the same one that Ron Wyatt, Allen Roberts, etc. have been promoting and which got considerable international press recently. (Copies of articles coming in separate mail.) That site has been debunked by both John Morris (and he does a pretty good job of it, surprisingly enough) and Bill Crouse. Copies of both coming in separate mail. Fasold told me on the phone that his present view is that his favored site probably wasn't actually the Ark of Noah, but was the source of the myth. I don't think that's very likely, either, but it's certainly more plausible than the claims that have been published. More info coming in separate messages. Jim @Via Squish 1:102/851.0, Thu Jun 02 1994 at 06:56 UTC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (129) Wed 1 Jun 94 3:17 Rcvd: Fri 3 Jun 23:29 By: lippard@ccit.arizona.edu, Central Computer Banks-mcws (1:102/851) To: Fredric Rice Re: Re: David Fasold St: Pvt Rcvd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From cheshire.oxy.edu!CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU!LIPPARD From: LIPPARD@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU ("James J. Lippard") To: Fredric.Rice@f890.n102.z1.fidonet.org Date: Wed, 01 Jun 1994 00:44:02 -0700 (MST) Path: news.Arizona.EDU!math.arizona.edu !noao!newncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!cs .utexas.edu!uwm.edu!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!kgs From: kgs@maths.uq.oz.au (Ken Smith) Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Noah's ark found *again* ? Date: 23 Jan 1994 23:23:44 GMT Organization: Maths, University of Queensland Lines: 79 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2hv0u0$bo5@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: axiom.maths.uq.oz.au Over the past week there have been several articles in our State daily newspaper "The Courier-Mail" about the alleged finding of the remains of Noah's Ark in Turkey. Three relevant paragraphs from the first article, published on January 18, under the by-line of June Southworth from London read: A team of scientists investigating on the Turkish-Iranian border for the past six years has found a buried, ship-like object high in the mountains 26km from Mount Ararat. Salih Bayraktutan, head of the geology department of the Ataturk University in Turkey, confirms that the team has found a vessel which could very well be the ark. Turkish authorities have designated the remote site below the mountains of Al Judi as one of special archaeological interest, and digging is due to begin in the northern summer. First question: Does anyone know anything about Salih Bayraktutan? Is he reliable? Does he have Islamic fundamentalist leanings? A subsequent paragraph in the article read: An American shipwreck specialist, David Fasold, says that radar imagery about 22m down from the stern is so clear that he can count the floorboards between the walls of the vessel. Second question: Does anyone know anything about David Fasold? A paragraph in a follow-up article on January 20 read: The project, led by American ark hunter Ron Wyatt, will resume in May when the weather improves. Third question: Can anyone confirm that Ron Wyatt is one of those people who have been looking for the ark for years? (the name seems to ring a bell with me). An earlier paragraph in this article read: Archaeologist Jonathan Gray, who recently returned to Adelaide from the site, said yesterday the latest discoveries near Mt Ararat on the Iran-Turkey border confirmed it was one of history's most significant finds. Fourth question: Does anyone know anything about Jonathan Gray? (I'll send a copy of this direct to Chris Nedin - it's his locality). I can't finish this without including some of the stuff from the latest article which appeared on January 22. This is a summary of an interview with Jonathan Gray, and is accompanied by some illustrations. One of these is labelled "An artist's re-creation based on archaeologist Ron Wyatt's drawings". The other is a small diagram with three labels: 1. Ark's original resting point after flood waters recede. 2. Volcano erupts and lava forces ark 4km down the mountain. 3. Ark impaled on huge rock and eventually covered by mud from volcano. One sentence in this article reads: "There is some urgency on the excavation plan because parts of the vessel are caving in under the weight of mud". So there we have the let-out if it all comes to nothing, as is likely in view of past happenings. I'll let other people comment on what lava would do to a wooden vessel while pushing it 4km down the mountain. Anyone from Hawaii? The reason I am posting is that I haven't seen anything about this on any of the newsgroups I have read the past week. Is this just a bit of Australian hype? Has it been in papers in USA? Ken Smith -- Dr. Ken Smith | snailmail: Department of Mathematics, email: kgs@maths.uq.oz.au | The University of Queensland, Mathematician by profession; | St Lucia, Qld. 4072. reason sometimes rules. | Australia. @Via Squish 1:102/851.0, Thu Jun 02 1994 at 06:56 UTC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (130) Wed 1 Jun 94 3:17 Rcvd: Fri 3 Jun 23:29 By: lippard@ccit.arizona.edu, Central Computer Banks-mcws (1:102/851) To: Fredric Rice Re: Re: David Fasold St: Pvt Rcvd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From cheshire.oxy.edu!CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU!LIPPARD From: LIPPARD@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU ("James J. Lippard") To: Fredric.Rice@f890.n102.z1.fidonet.org Date: Wed, 01 Jun 1994 00:44:07 -0700 (MST) From: IN%"prl@csis.dit.csiro.au" 23-JAN-1994 23:30 To: IN%"Lippard@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU" CC: Subj: Noah's Ark Return-path: Received: from lynx.csis.dit.csiro.au by CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU (PMDF V4.2-13 #2381) id <01H81G1Q62OW8WZ3N1@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU>; Sun, 23 Jan 1994 23:29:49 MST Received: from cygnus.csis.dit.csiro.au by lynx.csis.dit.csiro.au (4.1/1.4S) id AA23672; Mon, 24 Jan 94 17:29:37 EST Received: by cygnus.csis.dit.csiro.au (4.1/1.3C) id AA18234; Mon, 24 Jan 94 17:29:36 EST Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 17:29:36 -0500 (EST) From: prl@csis.dit.csiro.au Subject: Noah's Ark To: Lippard@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU Message-id: <9401240629.AA18234@cygnus.csis.dit.csiro.au> X-Envelope-to: Lippard Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I saw this float past on sci.archaeology. Have you seen/heard anything about it? Is it an old story that's been recycled for the silly season? The name David Fasold in the text as a "ship-wreck specialist with no religious affiliation" sounds familiar, but I can't place it. Colour me skeptical. Peter Lamb (prl@csis.dit.csiro.au) Xref: csis sci.archaeology:7005 soc.culture.turkish:44140 soc.culture.iranian:29 433 Path: csis!newshost.anu.edu.au!munnari. oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!harbinger.cc.mon ash.edu.au!yeshua.marcam.com!nic.hookup .net!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!cs.ubc.ca!cascade.cs. ubc.ca!not-for-mail From: fayegh@cs.ubc.ca (David Fayegh) Newsgroups: sci.archaeology,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.iranian Subject: Noah's Ark Date: 22 Jan 1994 09:54:18 -0800 Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada Lines: 41 Message-ID: <2hrp8aINNf3r@cascade.cs.ubc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: cascade.cs.ubc.ca From: The Vancouver Sun, Tuesday Jan 18, 94 Scientists say boat buried high on mountain is Noah's Ark Martin Wroe The Observer LONDON -- Noah's Ark has been found on the Turkish-Iranian boarder, 30 kilometers from Mount Ararat, according to the leader of a team of scientists who have been investigating the site for six years. The Turkish government is so convinced by the team's findings that, after years of intransigence, it has designated the site one of special archeological interest and agreed to its excavation next summer. The remote site contains a buried, ship-like object, resting -- oddly, for a ship -- at an altitude of 2,300 meters. At 170 meters long and 45 meters wide, it conforms almost exactly to the 300 cubits by 50 cubits specified by G-d in building instructions to Noah, according to chapter six of the Bible's Book of Genesis. On surrounding terrain, the American and Middle Eastern scientists have identified huge stones with holes carved at one end which they believe are ``drogue-stones'', dragged behind ships in ancient world to stabilize them. Salih Bayraktutan, head of geology at Trukey's Ataturk University, estimates the age of the ``vessel'' at more than 100,000 years. The site is immediately below the mountain of Al Judi, named in the Koran as the resting place of the Ark. David Fasold, an American ship-wreck specialist with no religious affiliation, says sub-surface radar surveys of the site have produced very good pictures. ``The radar imagery about 25 meters down from the stern is so clear you can count the floorboards between the walls.'' He believes the team has found the fossilized remains of the upper deck and that the original reed sub-structure has disappeared. @Via Squish 1:102/851.0, Thu Jun 02 1994 at 06:56 UTC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (131) Wed 1 Jun 94 3:17 Rcvd: Fri 3 Jun 23:29 By: lippard@ccit.arizona.edu, Central Computer Banks-mcws (1:102/851) To: Fredric Rice Re: Re: David Fasold St: Pvt Rcvd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ @SPLIT: 01 Jun 94 03:23:52 @102/851 591 01/02 ++++++++++++++++++++ From cheshire.oxy.edu!CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU!LIPPARD From: LIPPARD@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU ("James J. Lippard") To: Fredric.Rice@f890.n102.z1.fidonet.org Date: Wed, 01 Jun 1994 00:44:14 -0700 (MST) Path: news.Arizona.EDU!skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu!lippard From: lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,talk.origins,alt.atheism Subject: Bill Crouse on the Fasold/Wyatt/Roberts "Ark" claim Date: 29 Jan 1994 14:29 MST Organization: University of Arizona Lines: 111 Distribution: world Message-ID: <29JAN199414292516@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Xref: news.Arizona.EDU sci.skeptic:56743 talk.origins:57435 alt.atheism:82972 _Ararat Report_, no. 17, May-June 1988 Christian Information Ministries, International, 2077 N. Collins Blvd., Suite 201, Richardson, TX 75080, (214) 690-1975 or 699-7620 Edited by Bill Crouse The Durupinar Site Ron Wyatt: Are His Claims Bonafide? Historical Background In 1959 a pilot in the Turkish Air Force on a NATO mapping-mission in the mountainous terrain of eastern Turkey photographed an unusual ship-shaped object near Mt. Ararat. Later when these aerial photographs were viewed stereoscopically by Captain Ilhan Durupinar, he noticed that the object looked even more like a ship. But what was a ship doing in those rugged mountains? After examining the stereo photos, photogrammetry expert, Dr. Arthur Brandenberger of Ohio State, declared that the object was entirely foreign to the area, and if the object proved to be a ship someone had better explain how it got there. Photographs of the strange formation appeared in the world press and created a sensation. Speculations abounded that it was Noah's Ark. This editor remembers well seeing the photos in _Life_ magazine (9/5/60) as a teenager. At that time there were already those who were interested in mounting expeditions to search for Noah's Ark. The new discovery caught them quite unawares since most believed the Ark was actually on Mt. Ararat and not on a foothill some 15 miles away. A group, calling themselves the Archaeological Research Foundation (ARF), investigated the "ship" with the full cooperation of the Turkish government in the summer of 1960. After doing preliminary excavation and dynamiting one of the sides, they concluded that the formation was only a freak of nature, a clay upthrust in a lava field. No artifacts or petrified wood were found. For the next 20 years the Ark search was concentrated on Mt. Ararat itself. From 1960 till 1984 nothing was heard of the "ship" formation. Attention again focused on the Durupinar site (which is what we have been calling it in this report) in the summer of '84 when Ron Wyatt convinced Col. Jim Irwin, Dr. John Morris, and Marvin Steffins to take a look at the site. Ron, who can be a very persuasive fellow, succeeded in convincing Steffins it was the Ark. Steffins immediately flew to Ankara to hold a news conference and announce the discovery. The next day the news was broadcast throughout the world. Some Christian radio and TV stations played it up pretty big. This editor was in Denver at the time, and one radio station was reporting that explorers had succeeded in getting inside the Ark and that wood was being flown back to the states for testing. I was ecstatic since I had just returned from a trip to Ararat myself. Ark fever was at a high pitch. I was puzzled, however, by the report that the Ark was only at the 6,300 foot level. It was not until two days later that I learned that the "Ark" discovered was none other than the "phenomenon ship" written of in Violet Cummings' book (_Noah's Ark: Fact or Fable_, pp. 204ff.) During the summer of 1985 there were Kurdish insurgents on Mt. Ararat preventing any teams from carrying out their exploration plans. The focus instead shifted to the Durupinar site. Indeed so much interest was being generated that ABC filmed a special which was later aired on the television program 20/20. It was also highlighted on Christian Broadcasting Network newscasts. Today, as most of our readers know, there is mounting controversy as to whether or not there is sufficient evidence to conclude that the ship-shape is Noah's Ark. It is the purpose of this issue of _AR_ to take a careful look at what has been put forth as evidence, and to focus on Ron Wyatt's claims since he is the one who is chiefly responsible for reviving interest in this site. It is safe to say that without Ron Wyatt's efforts there still would be no interest in the "ship" discovered in 1959 by Durupinar. With varying degrees the following men have either advocated the site as the authentic Ark of Noah, or feel that it deserves further inquiry: David Fasold, Marvin Steffins, Dr. William Shea, Rene Noorbergen, and Dr. John Baumgardner. All of them owe their initial interest in this site to Ron Wyatt. [It continues for another seven pages. Some highlights: * Wyatt is a nurse anesthetist (CRNA) from Madison, TN. He first traveled to Turkey in 1977 and tried to find the site by hiring a cab, circling the outskirts of Dogubayazit at night, and praying that God would cause the cab to stall out anywhere God wanted him to look. This happened several times, and each time Wyatt made a pile of stones by the road side. He did not find the site during that trip. * A photo on p. 7 of the article shows an aerial view of Little Ararat which features *three* similar ship-shaped formations. * Wyatt claims to have found Sumerian, Hurrian, and Urartian inscriptions which prove that his site is the Ark. He hasn't produced them for anyone else to see. * Wyatt claims to have discovered the Ark of the Covenant (at the exact spot where Jesus was crucified) and to have held the stone tablets of the Ten Commandments. He claims to have discovered the exact spot where the Israelites crossed the Red Sea, and to have found chariot parts under the water. He claims to have found the 12 altars built by Moses in Exodus 24. He claims to have solved the problem of how the pyramids were constructed. He claims to know how the Shroud of Turin was fakes, and to have cracked the code of the Copper Scroll (of the Dead Sea Scrolls). He claims he can read any ancient inscription in any language. * Wyatt has claimed to have graduated with honors from the Univ. of Michigan in pre-med and to have finished all the requirements for M.A. and Ph.D. degrees in antiquities. He has claimed to be a veteran of the Korean war. He actually has no degrees and there is no record of his service in the Korean war. He did attend Western Michigan University and other schools for a number of years, but did not earn a degree. * One person who has donated approximately $30,000 to Wyatt's expeditions asked Wyatt to undergo a polygraph test when Wyatt asked for more money. Wyatt agreed to undergo the tests, and the results were such that no more money was forthcoming. -jjl] Jim Lippard Lippard@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU Dept. of Philosophy Lippard@ARIZVMS.BITNET University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 Path: news.Arizona.EDU!skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu!lippard From: lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,talk.origins,alt.atheism Subject: John Morris on the Fasold/Wyatt/Roberts "Ark" claim Date: 29 Jan 1994 12:10 MST Organization: University of Arizona Lines: 128 Distribution: world Message-ID: <29JAN199412101902@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Xref: news.Arizona.EDU sci.skeptic:56741 talk.origins:57426 alt.atheism:82946 Institute for Creation Research, _Impact_, September 1992 231--THE SEARCH FOR NOAH'S ARK: STATUS 1992 by John D. Morris, Ph.D. Professor of Geology and Administrative Vice President at ICR. Director, Ararat Project. [Page i and almost all of page ii are just about the biblical story and Morris' own expeditions.] [bottom of p. ii:] Interestingly enough, there are a few individuals who claim the Ark has already been found. Thy point to an interesting boat-shaped formation discovered in 1959 in a Turkish aerial mapping project. It is situated some [page iii:] seventeen miles from the summit of Greater Ararat (i.e., with the "mountains of Ararat"), is of a size compatible with the Biblical dimensions (515 feet by 138 feet), and is in a streamlined "boat shape." The site has been investigated several times over the years, first in 1960 by a joint Turkish-American expedition, then by several groups in the '60s and '70s. My first efforts to study it in 1975 were thwarted by the local military, but two subsequent surveys were more fruitful. My conclusion, and the conclusion of almost every other team, was that it is an unusual geologic phenomenon, but not Noah's Ark. In the late 1970s, Mr. Ron Wyatt began studying the area. While a non-scientist, Wyatt tirelessly surveyed the area, eventually marshaling several lines of evidence to support his contention that this formation is Noah's Ark. Eventually, Wyatt joined forces with David Fasold, Dr. John Baumgardner, Dr. Allen Roberts, and others. Baumgardner, a geophysicist, was able to perform several scientific tests on the site, such as magnetometry, ground-penetrating radar, seismic, and finally core drilling. Although he was at first open to the possibility that the site was the Ark, Baumgardner now contends he has disproved the hypothesis, especially by the core-drilling, which revealed only the sorts of rock on the nearby hillsides, and nothing of archaeological significance. Meanwhile, Wyatt and Fasold have both published books on the "discovery" of the Ark, although they have now parted company and disagree about many of the important details. Wyatt claims he has found much petrified wood, of a type which had no tree rings. (He holds that pre-Flood trees had no rings.) Fasold claims the Ark was constructed of cemented reeds which have since decayed away. Wyatt talks of the remains of three decks, rooms, and timbers, while Fasold feels the impression of the decayed ship is about all that remains. Both refer to "drogue stones," or stones suspended by rope from a boat and used to maintain stability and navigation. Both refer to corroded metal fittings, which they claim are found in rows, delineating the "ribs of the ship," as indicated by @Via Squish 1:102/851.0, Thu Jun 02 1994 at 06:56 UTC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (132) Wed 1 Jun 94 3:17 Rcvd: Fri 3 Jun 23:29 By: alanf@tekig6.pen.tek.com, Central Computer Banks-mcws (1:102/851) To: Fredric Rice Re: 02/Re: David Fasold St: Pvt Rcvd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ @SPLIT: 01 Jun 94 03:23:52 @102/851 591 02/02 ++++++++++++++++++++ metal detectors and especially a "molecular frequency generator." This device, which includes two hand-held brass rods that cross when the sub-surface target is located, has been used by both to generate significant aspects of their data. Let me comment briefly on each of these points: * On my two field studies and the investigations by many others, and in the microscopic studies of samples gathered at the site, *no* petrified wood has been found. The rock types are somewhat exotic, but I have found neither wood nor cemented reeds. (By the way, petrified woods from before the Flood *do* have tree rings. Evidently, while the seasons may not have been as pronounced, they were sufficient to produce rings in the woody trees, as is obvious by studying petrified wood from numerous geologic layers.) * The reliable subsurface tests do show distinct buried layers, but core drilling identified these layers as rock surfaces natural to the area. [page iv:] * The drogue stones are found at some distance from the site; the nearest one, to my knowledge, being fourteen miles away. They are not dissimilar to many tombstones in the area, and are currently found in graveyards. * The metal "fittings" are a serious overstatement. Much metallic ore is present in the surrounding hillsides and on the site. Furthermore, igneous cobbles are frequently present, which contain high concentrations of naturally occurring magnetic minerals. A metal detector will indicate this high concentration, which could be mistaken for a metal object. The sporadic cobbles were not found in a straight line, according to those present at the time, but ribbons connecting the locations of these cobbles did obviously appear in a line. Subsequent metal-detector surveys by independent parties, including Baumgardner, have *not* discerned any pattern. * The molecular frequency generator, with its crossing, hand-held, brass rods, appears to employ the ancient art of divination--a practice thoroughly condemned by Scripture. At best, the results are hardly considered trustworthy. But it is this device which has produced the main support for the claim of metal fittings. Both Fasold and Wyatt are articulate and assertive in their manner, and many have been convinced. They have aggresively promoted themselves and their works, and in so doing, have intimidated many and frustrated serious scientists and Ark searchers. Both have shown a tendency to attack, personally, those who disagree with them. In their writings and interviews, each has demonstrated disdain for Christians, in general, and ICR, in particular. The site itself has received some attention with Turkey, and there is an effort to promote it as the Ark, in hopes of receiving tourist dollars. An unfurnished "visitor's center" has been built overlooking the site. Unfortunately, getting to the site is difficult. A narrow, rutted, dirt road winds up a steep hillside to a nearby village, but it is not navigable by many cars. Claims of a six-lane highway leading to the site are false. My own geologic survey, coupled with microscopic analysis of all the rocks gathered and the thoughts of Baumgardner and others, has led to the conclusion that the formation, which rests between two hills on the side of a larger hillside, was formed as soil and mud slid downhill around a stable area, leaving a streamlined shape. Suffice it to say that there is a perfectly straightforward geologic explanation for the formation, and absolutely no indication that it is of archaeological significance. [more on general Ark-hunting in 1992] [The above should prove a useful source of quotations for anyone wishing to write letters to the editors of newspapers which have just recently been promoting this Ark claim yet again. I've found that references to the creationists' own writings are more likely to be listened to by creationists than any debunkings by non-creationists. -jjl] Jim Lippard Lippard@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU Dept. of Philosophy Lippard@ARIZVMS.BITNET University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 Path: news.Arizona.EDU!math.arizona.edu !noao!newncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrind e!sgiblab!sgigate.sgi.com!olivea!charne l!psgrain!news.tek.com!tekig7!tekig6!alanf From: alanf@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Alan M Feuerbacher) Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Noah's ark found *again* ? Message-ID: <13485@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> Date: 29 Jan 94 17:10:29 GMT References: <2hv0u0$bo5@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au> <23JAN199420472541@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu> Sender: news@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. Lines: 16 In article cnedin@geology.adelaide.edu.au (Chris Nedin) writes: >.... >And this gem from the end of the interview, "Shortly after I became >convinced of the authenticity of the Ark, I was divinely guided to several >other discoveries which are equally astounding confirmations of the total >infallibility of the Bible, as Noah's Ark is." Wyatt also made this claim in his 1989 book _Discovered: Noah's Ark!_, World Bible Society, Nashville. To see how far out this guy is, you really have to read his book. It says that other books will be published with titles like "Discovered: Giants!," "Discovered: Ark of the Covenant!," and "Discovered: Diary of the Demon." Alan Feuerbacher alanf@atlas.pen.tek.com @Via Squish 1:102/851.0, Thu Jun 02 1994 at 06:56 UTC


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