Author: Ted Holden Fairytales, ancient and modern, often have animals conversing with men

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====================================================================== Author: Ted Holden ====================================================================== Fairytales, ancient and modern, often have animals conversing with men in meaningful fashion. We assume this is entirely fanciful, and that there is no imaginable circumstance under which, say, a dog or cat might impart any complex piece of information to a human. Was this always so? We would ASSUME present circumstances to hold good in all past ages, but... Consider the enigmatic book which Julian Jaynes of Princeton wrote in the mid seventies, "The Origis of Consciousness and the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind". Jaynes noted that in very ancient literature, from the older sections of the Iliad and on back, we search in vain for any sort of a reference to anything which we would call decision making; at every turn at which you or I would have to stop and think about how to proceed, the men and women of the Iliad are guided by the voices of gods and goddesses. This appears universally true of earlier literature as well, and there are positive references in the literature of Assyria and other lands that there was a definite time at which this guidence by outside forces broke down, and men first came to feel deserted by the gods which had previously sustained them. Jaynes notes that the Wernicke's area of the left brain, primarily responsible for speech capabilities has an unused analog on the right side, and a bridge crossover between them and that, when this right side analog is stimulated electrically, as has been done with epileptic patients, the patients in many cases claim to hear voices, as real as if you or I were to be speaking to them. Jaynes argues that the entire manner in which the human brain and mind work today, is fundamentally different from the way in which they worked just a few thousand years ago, and the evidence appears to entirely support him. And yet, the thesis he presents, that men were then guided by auditory hallucinations which had somehow evolved to a functional "group-think" kind of condition, is clearly unworkable. A village populated by 200 people all heading inner voices would amount to 200 Sons of Sam running around. What then has Jaynes discovered? Let us now return to fairytales and the question of animals conversing. We know today that a number of the higher animals are basically bright enough to deal with language, but that most lack the physical requirements for speech as we know it. A number of apes have been taught to use deaf signing conventions in the last 20 years or so as is common knowledge, and it seems fairly certain that aquatic mammals communicate in complex ways, and a number of birds (crows, jays etc.) have a rudimentary language which works for THEM. Nonetheless, for animals to communicate with humans in any meaningful way, some other form of communication than our present speech would be needed. It is interesting that ancients generally associated the age when animals conversed with man with the antedeluvian time, the so- called "Age of Cronos [Saturn]". Consider the following fragment of a conversation between Socrates and one named only as the "stranger", from Plato's dialogue, The Statesman: Soc: Certainly that is quite consistent with what has preceded; but, tell me, was the life which you said existed in the rein of Cronos [Saturn] in that cycle of the world, or this? For the change in the course of the stars and the sun must have occurred in both. Str: I see that you enter into my meaning;--no, that blessed and spontaneous life does not belong to the present cycle of the world, but to the previous one, in which God superintended the whole revolution of the universe... and I might tell you of ten thousand other blessings which belonged to that dispensation. The reason why the life of man was, as tradition says, spontaneous, is as follows: In those days God himself was their shepherd, and ruled over them, just as man, who is by comparison a divine being, still rules over the lower animals.Under him there were no forms of government or separate possession of women and children; for all men rose again from the earth, having no memory of the past. And, although they had nothing of this sort, the earth gave them fruits in abundance, which grew on trees and shrubs unbidden, and were not planted by the hand of man. And they dwelt naked and mostly in the open air, for the temperature of their seasons was mild; and they had no beds, but they lay on soft cushions of grass, which grew plentifully out of the earth. Such was the life of man in the age of Cronos, Socrates; the character of our present life, which is said to be under Zeus, you know from your own experience. Can you, and will you determine which of them you deem the happier? Soc: Impossible. Str: Then shall I determine for you as well as I can? Soc: By all means. Str: Suppose that the nurslings of Cronos [the antedeluvians], having this boundless leisure, and the power of holding intercourse [conversation] not only with themselves but with the brute creation [animals], had used all these advantages with a view to philosophy, conversion with the brutes as well as with one another, and learning of every nature which was gifted with any special power, and was able to contribute some special experience to the store of wisdom, there would be no difficulty in deciding that they would be a thousand times happier than the men of our own day. Or, again, if they had merely eaten and drunk until they were full, and told stories to one another and to the animals, such stories as are now attributed to them, in this case also I should imagine the answer would be easy. But, until some satisfactory witness can be found for the love of that age for knowledge and discussion, we had better let the matter drop and give the reason why we have unearthed this tale, and then we shall be able to get on. In the fullness of time, when the change was to take place, and the earth-born race had all perished, and every soul had completed its proper cycle of births and been sewn in the earth her appointed number of times, the pilot of the universe let the helm go and retired to his point of view; and then fate and innate desire ruled the motion of the world... And the world turning round with a sudden shock, being impelled in an opposite direction from beginning to end, was shaken by a mighty earthquake, which wrought a new destruction of all manner of animals... While the world was aided by the pilot in nurturing the animals, the evil was small, and great the good which he produced, but after the separation, when the world was let go, at first all proceeded well enough; but, as time went on, there was more and more forgetting, and the old discord again held sway and burst forth in full glory; and, at last, small was the good, and great the admixture of evil, and there was danger of universal ruin to the world, and to the things contained in him [the world]... And so, we have arrived at the real end of this discourse; for although there might be much to tell of the lower animals, and of the conditions out of which they changed and of the causes of the change, about men there is not much, and that little is more to the purpose. Deprived of the care of God, who had possessed and tended them, they were left helpless and defenseless, and were torn in pieces by the beasts, who were naturally fierce and had now grown wild. And in the first ages, they were still without skill or resource; the food which had once grown spontaneously had now failed, and as yet they knew not how to procure it, because they had never felt the pressure of necessity. For all these reasons, they were in a great strait; whereupon also the gifts spoken of in the old tradition were imparted to man by the gods, together with so much teaching and education as was indispensable; fire was given to them by Prometheus... Interesting, no? How universally the ancients regarded the age just prior to the flood as such a near perfect state... We have a fairly clear statement that whatever condition had permitted conversation between men and beats perished with or shortly after the flood and this, one notes, is roughly the same time period which Jaynes gives for the change in the nature of the working of the human mind. Consider the following. The ability which even chimps show in the directions of language means that humans should have been language-capable at a considerable time prior to our arrival into our present state, our present three basic races. Humans have existed in roughly their present form for many years. Given the smooth and continuous evolution of both geological and biological forms which contemporary science accepts, man's languages should all show some relation. If, as seems overwhelmingly likely, the white and black races are very recent branches of the same family, their languages should show strong relationships. As far as anybody has ever shown, African and European languages are totally unrelated. Semitic and Indo-European languages should be strongly related, since the peoples are not racially different. The divide between Indo-European and Semitic peoples cannot possibly be more than a few thousand years into the past. This is an area in which standard explainations totally break down. There is no relationship between Indo-European and Semitic languages at all. What we actually observe is about what we would expect had communications been of some other nature until some event roughly 5000 - 10000 years in the past, at which time a need for our present form of speech arose and groups living in proximity to one another developed separate languages. Hence although even Russian is entirely similar in operation to our Western languages, Indo-European, Asiatic, Semitic, and African languages show no signs of similarity whatsoever. Creationist literature notes: If man and languages "evolved", the earliest languages should be the simplest. On the contrary, as one studies languages that are increasingly ancient, such as Latin (200 B.C.), Greek (800 B.C.), and Vedic Sanskrit (1500 B.C.), they become INCREASINGLY COMPLEX with respect to syntax, cases, genders, moods, voices, tenses, and verb forms. The evidence indicates that languages do not Evolve, they DEvolve. In fact, they have devolved from their new condition in the same way in which an automobile shows wear and tear beginning after it leaves the assembly line, starting from a very recent time. Due to some set of circumstances of the antedeluvian world, in all likelihood involving the greater electromagnetic nature of the world during the age of Kronos, the world was then engulfed in a form of telepathic communion shared not only by man but by higher creatures as well. Richard Heinberg ("Memories and Visions of Paradise", Tarcher 1989, cites a number of references similar to the selection from Statesman: Frank Waters "Book of the Hopi", cites a Hopi Indian tradition having the first people "felt as one and understood eachother without talking". Aesop: "...during the time of the Golden race [the age of Kronos] ... animals had articulate speech and knew the use of words... Arthur Lovejoy & George Boas "Primativism and Related Ideas in antiquity, Johns Hopkins Press, 1935 Empedocles: "All were gentle and obediant to men, both animals and birds, and they glowed with kindly affection towards one another." Heinberg cites a very strange disconnect in the book of Genesis. God speaking to Adam and the first andtedeluvians: Genesis 1:29 / 1:30 "And God said 'behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yeilding seed; to you it shall be for meat. "And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to everything that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I HAVE given every green herb for meat: and it was so. So that we have Genesis claiming that all living creatures were vegetarians prior to the flood, and the division of languages, after which creatures of varied sorts no longer understood nor could communicate with eachother. Then, we hear God speaking to Noah (and to man generally) after the flood and the division of speech: Genesis 9:2 / 9:3 "And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all of the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. "Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things." This is a total 180 degree change in world-view. This is the reality of the so-called Fall of Man. Yuppie science teaches us that phonetic alphabets arose only within the last 5000 years or so because only then did man become bright enough to figure the idea out, after having lived and spoken for many tens of thousands of years prior. There is a far better explanation. Phonetic alphabets arose after the RECENT rise of spoken speech. This means that Egyptian heiroglyphics as well as the Chinese style of writing hark back to an age when our present form of speech did not exist or was little used. Given the realities of antedeluvian communication, the idea of a phonetic alphabet should not have arisen. The basic answer to all of this, the only answer possible, involves the phenomenon which we refer to as telepathy. The answer is that, during the prior age during which the electro-magnetic nature of the world was far stronger than it is now, for which there is ample geological and anthropological evidence, this phenomenon, so rare in our own world, was the normal means of conversation, both amongst men and amongst a number of higher animals. Then, shortly after the flood, came a day in which the conditions which had allowed for this broke down: Genesis 11,1: "And the whole earth was of one language and of one speech. Genesis 11,4: "And they said, "Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth." Genesis 11,6: And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do." Genesis 11,7: "Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech


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