The Bob Westbrook Saga.... Hi all, I've put together some of the more interesting posts(mo
The Bob Westbrook Saga....
I've put together some of the more interesting posts(most all were
interesting) that I have captured from Bob Westbrook. For those who
don't know who Bob is, he joined the New Age forum on CIS some time
in March of 94 and posted a Farewell message in early August of 94.
He is an abductee and has had many prophetic and insightful things to
say about UFOs and other subjects. He predicted an earthquake in
California and 3 hours later it happened. By reading some of the
following posts you will learn about his perspective. Bob's knowledge
comes from his personal experiences and his logic is typically very
astute. I put this together for those who may have missed these
or those who joined after Bob left. Bob also has given some time frames
on certain events and I can't see any better way to validate his
claims than to post these messages in the CIS library. According to
Bob in a few months from now (8/8/94) UFOs will be photographed in major
cities and within 2 years a war will be fought against the Nordics
and/or with other aliens. If your reading this in 1997 or 1998 and
this didn't happen then you'll know Bob was full of it. If it has
happened, Jesus(or your own personal God) help us all.
I may have missed some other good messages and I would definately love
to see additions to these messages added to the library. You will
also note conspicuous Gaps during June and early July. This was due to
my hectic work schedule. I also didn't include some stuff that didn't
apply, but I certainly didn't edit anything that was written. Also, if
you haven't downloaded Bob's book "A survivors Guide to Armeggedon"
also available in this library, I suggest that you do so. Sorry Bob
if I've posted something of yours that may be taken out of context, if
I did, it was entirely unintentional.
8/8/94 7:50 P.M EST.
April 12, 1994
I'd like to be perfectly clear about my purpose in coming to this
1. I've been told by a ufo researcher from the 2020 group that from 1973
to 1976, there were about 30 known cases where people were abducted and
imparted massive amounts of information visually. The
common denominator was they all ended up with advance knowledge of
2. I am one of these people.
3. I would like to find the others.
4. I am painfully aware that the only way to verify any prediction of
future events is when it fades into the
shadows of the past.
5. If anyone has any ideas on any other scheme that would do it
otherwise, I'm certainly open to any aid
you can offer.
6. Based on one abduction experience and the deductions I made over an
extended and serious period of study. I have located a Nordic operation
in the Los Angeles area. I have visually confirmed the presence of
what would be typically thought of as a Nordic.
7. However, as I figure I'm only going to get one shot and my standards
of proof must extend beyond
what's between my ears, I am in the process of devising a method of
testing my theory.
a. On 2/27/94. I was abducted. I had prior to that night devised the
compass detecter I've already described. It went off.
b. Based up the theory that the induction of magnetic energy into my
quarters might affect the magnetic compass needle, and having confirmed
that fact to my own satisfaction, I am having several similar
devices made where a diode is wired into the compass. If the compass
needle begins to spin, he diode will over load and act as a circut
breaker essentially recording the incident.
8. I intend to place six of these in the immediate area around my
suspected Nordic. I am working under the theory that a regular schedule
of pick ups and deliveries occur. I hope to identify that time table.
9. The operation is a graveyard operational since 1896.
10. In the hills nearby there is a marker painted on the side of a
flood control dam pointing towards the graveyard. It serves no purpose
unless seen from the air.
11. This graveyard is within walking distance of where I was first
abducted in 1963.
12. The 63 and 73 events are not related.
So ladies and gentlemen, while I am arrogant and certain of my point of
view, I am here looking for answers to something that is happening in
the here and now. I know I am not alone in this respect and seek to
deduce and discover that which can.
Talk is of no value unless something productive can come of it.
Brainstorming is a valuable tool. However, I don't have the time or
inclination to make believers of non believers or to debate Roswell or
government conspiracies. I need to ascertain whether or not I've got a
real ET on the hook. If so, I know what to do. If not, I need to avoid
making a rather serious error.
To date, I haven't found anyone who can tell me if there are any
physical differences between an Nordic and a human. They are blonde, the
men 6 foot, the women 5'7", fair skinned and very attractive. The only
appreciable difference I can see is that they are perfectly blonde - no
dark roots. Most blondes aren't. They are sociopathic and can be quite
vicious. Obviously, you won't find Grays living next door to you.
There you have it.
April 13, 1994
>No, I don't really mean to be sarcastic or disbelieving of your
accounts, but >there are just so many farout claims made by people who
have "seen" the >future, but always have a Real Good Reason why they
cannot share or prove their >knowledge.
Alain, You've got to remember something. I don't claim to be a seer,
prophet or anything of that sort. I've said I was given X amount of
information. It is not all inclusive and I can't tell you where the next
Elvis sighting is going to be. However, if you check the time of my post
re: earthquake against the news of the day - my credibility might be a
little better established
> and flies in the face of your "not indexed by date".
I rate the date a lucky guess. Wrong on the magnitude but close. Correct
on the occurrence.
> Unless you wish to qualify this ("I meant NEXT term")
No qualification offered. Try this one - Clinton is an abductee.
Q. Who is the Anti-Christ?
There are more than one anti-christ. Answer = those still possessing
Clarification = The god of Abraham was not a god.
April 14, 1994
Too common. Guess what folks, the earth doesn't shake here everyday.
And no one else called the shot. AND it was reported in the news.
So much for the proof mongers.
April 15, 1994
You asked for something a little more immediate and I gave it to you 3
hours before it occurred. Check the time stamps on the post. Your
flippant dismissals based on daily quakes in the 3 to 4 magnitude in LA
are false and inaccurate. I live here and I know when it jumps. The news
was and nbc.
Furthermore, I've already said I don't claim to be a prophet or
anything of the sort. Yet, you seem to have ignored that. The fact is,
you asked, and I delivered. If you think quakes are easy to nail down.
Why don't YOU replicate the feat. Name locale within 50 miles, day,
magnitude. Now if you really want to impress me - stich in the time.
You think that playing mathematical probibilites is the name of the
game. Dig up the stats to support your opinion. I have the advantage of
living in the area for 35 years and while there are earthquakes in
CA every day, they are less than 2.0 range and are all centered 700
miles from LA in the Mammoth Lakes region. Your stats and your opinion
Naturally, we can't consider the impossible. Perhaps what I've said is
true and correct. Nahhhhhhhhhh.
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24-Apr-94 01:57:53 Sb: #217168-books and ufos Fm: Dean Miller
75110,3417 To: westbrook
My understanding from one of your messages here a few weeks ago is that
you were shown highlights of national (USA) news shows that covered 30
years from the time of your abduction (during Watergate --
about 1972). This would put the limit at about 2002.
Do you know any reason why the time was 30 years?
>Yes, I was relevent to the period of time in which I was/am to
be personally active as a player in the Armageddon scenerio. Also
it was deemed necessary for me to be comfortable with the reliability
of the data. This has been achieved over a long period of time and
resulted in a track record of me being ahead of trends by at least
two years. This resulted in some advantages re: business.
Did any of the highlights give an indication that where you live
(Southern California) might become unsafe during those 30 years?
>Yes, Los Angeles will face near total destruction during the next
There have been several military "actions" during the 30 years, so far.
Can you identify any military actions from the highlights that may not
yet have happened?
>Yes, As I've said in my book, China will invade the middle east using
a one million man cavalry. They will do so with the aid of Iran.
They will move into the region by traveling the borders of Islamic
Was there anything of a religious or philosophical nature in the news
>Yes, towards the end of Armagedon when people believe the return
of Jesus is at hand, they will voluntarily walk into collection
centers for extermination thinking they're on their way to heaven.
The premise is false.
Was there any news affecting the whole world (other than the military
> Yes, Natural disturbances of 'biblical' scale will plague most areas
of the planet. The 500 year flood and the Northridge earthquake are the
beginning of much larger episodes. The comet fragments that will
collide with Jupiter will have dramatic effects on our weather systems.
The collision is not an accidental occurence from the Ort cloud but a
> Did the news highlights have any astronomical or "cosmic" items?
April 25, 1994
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24-Apr-94 15:13:49 Sb: #217167-books and ufos Fm: Peter
Partridge/ASYSOP 70762,1512 To:
why would the ET include such a minor event in that summary? > Various
1. Like the mountain - it was there.
2. My possession of this data is the result of one individual ex parte
from the group. He is operating unilaterally, without official sanction
and is dedicated to the overthrow of the Nordic empire.
3. Life is comprised of a series of little events. Recording only the
major events without the detail of the lessers would be illogical.
Or are you accessing hard data directly now by ET contact in *addition*
to the 30-year news summary you
>No. The data was provided in 1973. A one shot deal.
IOW - are you in ongoing direct communication with the abductor group?
>No - I am not receiving information from any of the groups doing
abductions. >Yes, I am in contact. To be exact, they are in contact
with me as they come after me occasionally. I am not considered a
friendly and they 'give' me nothing.
Was this how you extracted an immediate but relatively minor publicized
event to prove your point?
>No. I've found that it's easier for me to access the base if I do
it by writing. I sat down at my terminal and typed out my response
without giving it much thought except to the extent that I would
look like a bonafide jerk if I was wrong. To tell the truth, I
was as surprised as you.
others I have since read about also attribute the "future show"
component to Greys, not "Nordics" or "Pleiadeans".
>Greys are the lowest visible element of the brave new world and possess
an average iq of 80. The browns, larger grays top out at 125. The
Nordics are around 190. I have no direct information on the Pleiadeans
although there are evidencary footprints to the existence of a power
greater than the abuductors, I am unable to verify or even confirm their
>Some people have been given information as a plan of misinformation
and misdirection. Religion, in large part, serves this end. Those who
have received their info from Greys or Nordics should be suspicious
of the accuracy until they've been able to confirm it over an extended
period of time. My information was received from one Nordic who at
one time was homo sapien and then converted into homo superior.
April 29, 1994
The lady who started this thread proffered a subject for discussion
and all you guys are doing is talking about whether or not it should
have it's own forum. I think this is rude, poor manners, and a
disservice to the users.
In answer to the question - Is God An Alien? The answer is NO - I'm
living in Los Angeles.
April 29, 1994
God is a 5th dimensional creature with rather widespread influence. He
has the bad habit though of not wanting to get his hands dirty and
expects us to wipe our own backsides.
April 29, 1994
How does one develope their own opinion without plagerizing other
people's. You're kidding aren't you? If you aren't, the answer is.
You collect the facts, think about them, and then bring your experience
and intellect to bear on the subject. When you read my book, you should
be aware that I deliberate didn't read other people's material
so as not to pollute my ideas with theirs.
God doesn't have a hidden agenda, we lack an understanding of it.
May 4, 1994
I don't think you got my point. I do accept outside reference sources.
My book is filled with research on historical facts etc. No one person
can know everything. However, I've noted that people assume others
opinions without giving them much thought. A fact is a fact and given
some sort of evidence and be infered to be a fact. Opinions are much
more nebulous. Books citing other's opinions have the same value
as an oral contract. They aren't worth the paper they're printed on.
In my work, I've laid a foundation of fact as the basis for MY
opinion. Everyone and their mother is free to disagree. Now if someone
cites my opinion as a source, it is flimsy and not evidencary. So it is
with the works of others. The reader in search of the truth must glean
the facts from the opinions and develope his own. Otherwise, he is
little more than a follower looking for the leader of the week.
May 5, 1994
In my book I've said that Clinton and Hillary are abductees. Ufos aided
in Clinton's election and expect him to crash and burn. In doing so, he
pulls the thread that unravels world stability - setting the stage and
atmosphere of Armageddon. Following him will be chaos.
May 31, 1994
In answer to your questions.
1. I would not charge anyone for help on the subject of ufo's or
abductions. Obviously, I do charge for services or I wouldn't
be able to feed my face.
2. The purpose of my Ruth post was not to villify the person but to
notice others that they may wish to think twice before sharing
personal information with her.
3. What I really think about the woman - has been said to her face.
Re: Phone tapping.
People do not tape phones without a reason. Do you have a reason that
someone would find your communications of interest?
a. You'll never notice a legal tap. It's done at the phone company
as the result of a search warrant or other court order.
b. Amatuer equipment produces better results than the ones you describe.
c. The easiest way to tap a line is at the box on the back of the house.
There a pair of allegator clips and a small fm transmitter would
be found. Within a 1/4 mile radius the receiver and a voice activated
taped recorder would be stashed.
d. No private party would attempt to tap in at the junction box down the
e. Alternatives are small fm xmiters in the phone set itself. It means
the person has access to your house.
f. Another alternative is that you're unnecessarily paranoid.
g. Or the copper wire in your area is in decay. These cables should
last a couple of decades. More if the weather conditions are ideal.
h. There is a fault at the trunk resulting in bad connections.
i. Gripe at the telco and see if there's an improvement.
j. If none of these things produce satisfaction, contact a PI who has
experience with the subject. He'll sweep your house and check for
June, 2, 1994
If u suspect you're being screwed with by ufos - the usual questions
1. R U now or have you ever been abducted?
2. If you don't know - do you have reason to suspect?
3. Do you wake up in the morning with cuts, scratches or nicks you
didn't go to bed with?
4. Have u noticed unusual growth in your fingernails.
5. Do you a period of 'missing time' somewhere in your life.
6. Do you suffer from any mental illness or is there a history of
illness in your family.
7. What is your racial background? 8. Do you have dreams of future
events that ALWAYS come true.
9. Where do you live?
June 27, 1994
Why is it that every Greek named Nick is 'Nick the Greek'?
Nordics are the alien bad guys who perform abductions of humans, steal
genetic material from their gonads and create artificial life forms with
them. They're sociopathic, sometimes mistake for angels or messengers
from God and generally are not very nice people (emphasis added). The
are blonde - human in appearance - very good looking. Although very
bright (IQ - 190) they are emotionally deficient and view us as little
more than insects. They have plagued this planet for AT LEAST the last
6,000 years and probably longer.
As to can you help. Indeed you can.
Under the heading of Gray Defense, I left instructions on how to build
a shield that if placed around your bed will prevent abductions. It has
been tested in battle AND it works! The more sophisticated a technology
gets, the easier it is to monkey wrench it.
I and another user here, both abductees, noted that the Nordics never
use their dimensional door on sections of wall wherein there is
electrical wiring. It was unknown at that moment whether or not the
magnetic field of the electricity disrupted the field or it was the wire
itself. To be safe, I purchased 200 feet of electrical cable, 4 ceiling
hooks and a fan and constructed five
sides of a cube around my bed.
Each size has an X in the middle. My abduction problems immediately
I later learned in a real time abduction that the following sequence of
events and limitations occur.
1. They WILL NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES enter the house while anyone
2. They hit the house with an energy beam that will cause fans to
turn even though they are off at the time.
3. This beam will sedate you and put you into a comatose sleep.
4. It will do so with your animals as well.
5. Once these conditions are met, they will use dimensional shifting
to either send Grays thru the walls to haul you out or to open
the dimensional door and use a white tractor beam to levitate you
out of the bed and thru the door - into their ship.
6. The dimensional door is typcially used on interior walls in crowded
urban areas. In sparcely populated areas they will use it on
an exterior wall. In a bedroom, the wall of choice must be in
line of sight with the bed. If there is no wall in allowing this
facility, then they send in a team of Grays. They typically use
The 'cage' or 'shield' works when the energy from their beam moves
across the wire. the movement creates a small electric charge that is
grounded out. Essentially, you are intercepting and grounding enough
of the energy directed at you and grounding it. Thus making their
What can u do to help yourself?
1. Protect yourself.
2. Protect your loved ones.
3. Educate others.
IF they want you bad enough, they will have to physcially materialize
and put their slimy hands on you AND you will not have been sedated.
This is pretty risky when confronted with someone like me who kills
Grays (and I'd love to get my hands on the Nordic sob that sent them
For more info - download the bit of my book in the library. Scan
What if they cut the power to the cage. That exact thing did occur.
When I initially noted that the bad guys never come thru the wall
where there's wiring, I speculated that it was the magnetic field
from the juice in the wire that was disruptive. However, in a real
time encounter here thru CIS, wherein Angelfish was the objective
of the abduction attempt, I had her grab any electical cord she had
available and to wrap it around her.
During the encounter, her ceiling fan - while turned off was spinning.
This indicated the presence of moving energy that was being coverted
into electricity by the coil in the motor - thus causing the fan to
rotate. She also, developed a hot spot on one of her legs. The wire
was not grounded so it was grounding thru her leg. During that portion
of the event - she was not snatched.
However, after things settled down, she took the cabling off. When she
did, the power to her entire house went out. The phone went dead and
try as she might to stay awake she couldn't. She awoke the next morning
the painful bruises and sore ribs - indicating she put up a fight.
The transcript of the beginning of the event was posted here on the
The bottom line is - it is the WIRE itself and not any current that
disables their beam.
It is noteworthy that there was another quirk of the evening. When she
received her power bill - it was much higher than the ability of all
her appliances to consume energy. The power company agreed and is going
to give her credit on the bill.
The Nordics are dependent upon their technology and they are not
inclined to taking risks. If, in the presense of the shield, they
wish to perform an abduction - they will have to drop all em camoflauge
and physcially put their hands on you the same as anyone else would
have to do AND they aren't willing to do this.
For those of you with a mathematical bent, you might be able to
make a reasonable guesstimate of the amount of energy going thru
Angel's place. The fan is a standard ceiling model and I figured it
was doing something like 35 to 50 rpm's. She reported it took 30
minutes for her to 'fall asleep'.
With regards to her electrical consumption - assuming the electric
meter did not do a flat spin and go haywire on it's own, and allowing
that it is clearly impossible for the appliances in the house to consume
energy beyond their engineering - I have an interesting speculation -
We know that there are difference in time when identical time pieces
are held in the area of a landing zone and outside the area. This
would be consistent with a power supply that utilized dimensional
physics to function.
If relative time was accelerated within the beam shot into Angel's
house, then not only the machines in the house would move in an
accelerated fashion - but so would her biomechanics. In speeding her up,
it's possible her natural sleep periods were quickened for a sleep
period faster than she would have had if she'd stayed in normal time.
Due to the relativity factor - not of the devices nor her body would
exceed design limitations.
I consider it no small coincidence that the Nordics and Gray jumpsuits
have several useful purposes. They are reported to have a wire mesh
woven into the material making the suits not only bullet proof, but
immune to sound or light weaponry. IE: the beam would not work on them
as the energy would be converted to simple electricity and grounded out.
The cage uses the same principle but is admittedly cruder. The ideal
human wear would be a poncho with a grounded wire built in somewhere.
June 30, 1994
1. I've asked Angel to provide a copy of the bill. She will be back on
line here soon.
2. Wire Mesh is better than cabling. However, as I was born with ten
thumbs, I tend to do things the easiest way possible.
3. As for making the trap you visualize. I have not conceived of a
switch that will work. I did come up with a compass and magnet gig
that did successfully alert me to the opening of the dimensional
door. However, as soon as they saw the rig, they stopped using it
and instead send one Gray in to do surveillance. The Gray's gear
is not sufficient to trip the compass needle. So - if you can come
up with a switch - you'll be able to bag some Grays.
Mine is not relative. Your's has yet to be determined.
Re: Coming thru the floor.
No, they do not.
Re: RF energy.
A bad choice of terms. ANY magetic energy crossing a wire will produce
a small electrical charge. I did not mean to imply Radio Frequency
as they address only a very small portion of the frequency band
available. However, as we lack a better term, it'll have to do.
Therefore, dimensional interaction is achieved by manipulating energy
Re: Rotating Reality 90 degrees.
1. Yes there are books on the subject.
2. We know thru theoretical mathematics that rotating magnetic reality
90 degrees would open a doorway to the next dimension.
Re: Opening in the shield.
I have the openings in the shield, down on the surface of the mattress
confined to 3 foot by 2 foot. It does not provide an opening sufficent
to move my 3 D carcass thru the wires without hitting a wire. As this
appears to be a destabilizing factor, they don't do it.
Re: Oscillating field.
I have no information on the subject. It suffices that my experiement
achieved results. The logic of 'how' it happened remains mildly
speculative. It is enough that the conclusions drawn have had the
desired results. I am not being abducted.
Re: Adaptive alarm switch.
I too have played with this idea. I noted that after my gizmo tripped
two times, they quit using the wall beam. I assume they saw the device
and figured it's purpose. From this point on, I received personal
visits by Grays. I am uncertain that there is enough energy in the
room to trip a switch. The only reasonable trap that could be laid would
be to put the detecting equipment under the run and around the
entire flooring. As they never entrance through the floor, it might be
Re: Grays, sheild and walls.
You misunderstand. The purpose of the tractor beam is to preclude
sending Grays in. Therefore, Grays do not enter in conjuction with the
beam but INSTEAD OF the beam.
Re: What's to keep them from knocking me out?
1. They have dimensional shifting equipment built into their portable
2. While you can observe the effects of their presence and even smell
them, you can't see them.
3. As they are dimensionally shifted, they would have to drop their
sheilding to get through the wires on the shield. Ie: they'd have
to go 3D. Doing so makes them visible and handleable. They do not,
will not, assume this risk.
In cases where they do go in and get you, they do knock you out,
pick u up and haul you off BUT they are 4D while they do it.
Re: Common Sense
If you can't understand why someone would be disinclined to yell UFO!
at the power company - there's nothing I can say that will help you.
Re: Does it happen often?
I don't know. I am not a ufo researcher and don't collect that data.
Your examples of emotional readings by Kirk or McCoy does not justify
an irrational approach to ufos. I will repeat myself. This is not a
subject you can address by any other means than logic and rational
thinking. If you can not or will not
avail yourself of these tools,
you are performing mental masturbation. You think something is happening
but all you end up with is a mess.
Re: Proven to the degree a court would accept?
You blew it on this one buddy. You're talking to a man with over 400
hours in court rooms, much of it as an expert witness. What you THINK
on the subject is irrelevant and immaterial as you have no evidence to
support your thoughts. I will tell you this, I COULD MAKE A CASE for the
existence of ufos by the standards of logic required by a court. These
standards would hold for either civil or criminal. Again, you use
irrational logic to support irrational opinions - none of which have
any foundation in fact. I will agree that NO ONE WILL EVER CONVINCE
a closed mind of anything. Such a mind refuses to accept logic as a
tool of anything but might even refer to emotional examples like Kirk
and McCoy to support arguements why emotions are a better analytical
tool than logic. As far as your speculations on who would accept an
alibi (misspelled), I submit you don't have the knowledge or experience
to even know what constitutes a legal alibi.
Re: Elvis sightings.
Your flippant comment indicates an immature mind who does not care to
deal with the subject seriously. Therefore, this will be my last post
Your statement that mesh will intercept a RF wave but not a magnetic
wave and further pontification that the subject as RUBBISH. I'd point
out to you that an RF wave IS A MAGNETIC WAVE. Your science is unsound,
without foundation, and inaccurate. Have you seen Elvis lately?
July 20, 1994
I will agree with you about the creation of momentary thought forms.
However, the practicalities of the human mind are such that we typically
don't generate sufficient power to make them of any long duration.
When they do hang around for a while, it is usually the byproduct of
extreme and intense emotion - usually generated from the darkside of
If it were possible to flippantly create thought forms, most of the
divorced people in the world would be dead from the hostility being
directed at them during the proceedings. The inability to control
our thoughts and emotions is the reason, I believe, we are limited to
only 10% usage of our brains. Otherwise, we'd be wrecking havoc on the
July 20, 1994
> Assuming that the visitors were "thought forms" generated by a larger
body of consciousness (the mind of man, just for instance. Or perhaps
the earth mind at large [Gaia principle]) Why?<
I discount the 'thought form' theory. The historical evidence indicates
this has been around for thousands of years. Is it possible for
prehistoric man to conceive of a ufo? Not likely, he was preoccupied
with fire. Or even in the time of Moses? No, even then we have only one
solid similarity - 'they came from the skies'. Further, these thought
forms were solid (angels) and had physical substance. The evidence does
not support thought forms as the ufo perpetrators. One must remember
that the form we are talking about is 4 dimensional - not three. Now you
will argue that Phillip could move objects. When he lands a ufo in front
of witnesses - then you've got a point.
Further, In my own case, the ufo thought form as made out of hard metal
had stairs, different levels and was quite physical.
> Another question I have not seen posed to you Robert.. Why you? Why
Angelfish? Is there anything in your backround that primed you for what
has happened? <
Yes, however, I'm not prepared to deliver up the answer at this time.
>[Please note that I am giving you the benefit of the doubt
that it did really happen].<
There's no need to give me the benefit of any doubt. My skin isn't so
thin that I can't stand in the light of day on my own.
>Since "they" also engage in OBE activity, is
this event limited to "this lifetime" or are you involved in an ongoing
multi lifetime training program of some sort.<
You don't note which 'they' you are talking about. Never the less, the
universe's program of evolved personality is multi life time. Every
human on earth is involved in that process AND a few non humans as
July 23, 1994
I too looked thru the book for this info but didn't care enough to
follow it up. They have a phone number and fax line, why don't you
contact them and ask. Better from the horse's mouth than the other
I've always take 'channeled' info with a BIG GRAIN OF SALT and still do.
I can't speak to the accuracy of other's encounters. Of my own (and this
is new to me), I can say that the Nohsaimus are in nearly constant
contact with me and I am in contact (through abductees other than
myself) with Nordics. Preparations are being made for a face to face
meeting between Nohsaimus representatives (human) and the Nordics.
July 23, 1994
I like my version of reality if for no other reason it's simple and
not convolulted by extraneous thought. Essentially you're saying we
make our own reality AND to degree that is true. Logically, however,
it presupposes that we are number one on the food chain AND are the
absolute masters of our destiny. If, on the other hand, we find
ourselves one notch down on the chain and subject to the whim of another
party, the logic follows that we are the masters of our destinies to the
limit permitted by the imposed structure.
As an example.
In my book, I noted that for a variety of reasons, Africa would be
hardest hit by Armageddon. I pointed to a historical foundation of
material indicating the many of the manmade disasters (war) was the
product of covert manipulations (presumably Nordic) for the purpose
of generating the products they desired (corpses). I also noted a
historical periodicity in the 'great' disasters and plagues - 700 years
and point out that (guess what boys and girls ) we are near the
700 year marker.
Your concept of anchoring is valid ONLY IF we are the dominant force
in the food chain. The evidence is massive towards the opposite
EVEN SO, we are the final arbiters of whether or not we CHOOSE to allow
ourselves to be the objects of these manipulations and whether or not
we will go along. We don't have to do it. Back on the other side of the
scale we have a plantary history of leaders and individuals falling
prey to the seven deadly sins with no indicator that human nature is
suddenly going to change.
MY MAJOR POINT IS..... We can change ourselves individually and the
rewards for doing so will present themselves. We are not judged as a
species, or by form of government, nor by race or religion. Judgement
is personal and rendered per individual and based upon the
implimentation of our personal free wills. This is the message of the
Nohsaimus (one of them anyway).
There are no deep dark secrets here.
July 24, 1994
I don't agree with the 'law of synchronicity. As my counterpart is ahead
of me in this - she says that to communicate with these people, you must
first learn to listen. Therefore, you go into the theta zone and wait
for them to contact you. Your presence there attracts immediate
attention. After you've learned to hear, then you can learn to talk.
Actually, the process is nearly the same as with a newborn. First they
hear and later learn to formulate words.
I agree that interest attracts but feel it is more than that too.
I suspect you have to be of a genre an angel would WANT to associate
with you. I am far from a goody goody but am amazed at the acceptance
I have received.
July 25, 1994
The Term "Gray" is generic. There are three kinds and I dislike them
all. The little 3.5 footer only has an IQ of about 80. Worker bee. The 4
footer is a little smarter. There is a 4.5 foot Gray that weighs in
with an IQ of about 125. Next up the ladder is the Brown. IQ 135-145,
stands about 5 foot. One critter that seems rare (in as much as I've
never heard about it) is a Red. I saw this guy in 1963. He stands about
7 foot and appears insect like. He isn't. His arms and legs are long
and thin like a preying mantis with the radical joints of an insect.
He is very smart, IQ 200+. The Nordics who picked me up were subject
to his command and he was really pissed they'd put the snatch on me.
He's the top end model of the Gray.
Even so - they did what they do.
Generally, speaking though - the Nordics are top at the top of the food
chain. They are homo superior - human. To answer your question. Nordics
are the bosses. Grays are artificially engineered life forms designed
for the sole purpose of serving Nordic interests.
As for Nohsaimus - they don't abduct and are completely benign. You
won't hear much about them from abductees. It is only AFTER I managed
to control Nordic involvement in my life AND divorce myself of the fear
that had been programmed into me via the abduction processes that they
sought me out. People who run into them usually feel they've had
spiritual encounters as they belong to a race we call angels.
Incidentally, the wings were for our benefit. They don't like them cause
July 29, 1994
No not a Republican or a Democrat. Winston Churchill was once quoted
as saying, "If in your 20's you aren't liberal, you have no heart.
If in your 30's your aren't conservative, you have no brains."
I have no political agenda and have no need to waste time on a system
that is going to collapse no matter what I do or don't do. Instead,
I'd rather focus on that which is salvagable - people. Not just any
people. I have no use for those that don't take responsibility for their
own actions. Nor for those who won't work. Nor for those who think the
world owes them a living etc. etc. etc. doo dah doo dah dayyyyyyyy.
The liberal agenda demands victims - I won't be anyone's victim.
The conservative ticket demands responsibility. Victims are never
responsible because "Someone else did it to me - IT'S NOT MY FAULT".
The Victimization of America over the last 50 years of social fraud
has produced a system wherein the non-producing victims out breed
the producers (tax base) at a rate of 4 to 1. In a system where he
who screws the most gets all the votes, the non producers end up with
most the power and vote away the rights of those who do produce the
wealth the jobs and the tax base. Such a system will decay and fall
in on itself and the lesson has been taught in history many times.
This is nothing new.
My agenda? Survival!
-----July 30, 1994
Re: Warding off abductions with your mind.
It depends on what you call your mind, it can be a pretty big subject.
In my case, pre-shield, I alter my schedule to vampire hours, staying
up all night (with two pots of coffee) and going to bed at sunrise.
You can will your way thru it but it's a real pain in the a$$. I work
9 to 5 and had to divide my sleeping schedule up into 2 4 hour chunks
with the workday in the middle.
On the subject of abductions. We have in your mythology the story of
those who sell their souls to the devil and, in return, receive
wealth and fame. The concept isn't new and has been around for a long
time. The Nordics are, if anything, organized and logical. They have
a management structure that works. Now, having gone to the trouble
to solicit people to work your agenda - it is nothing less than stupid
to propose they would not have a way to manage or to contact those
who were volutarily working with them. Therefore, the idea of little
parties on ships for the purposes of business and pleasure.
The practicalities of managing human resources isn't going to be that
different for Nordics OR Xerox.
As to why you haven't read about Nordics, I guess you're reading the
wrong material. You could get a subscription Mufon's monthly rag,
they're mentioned occasionally. Unfortunately, as the worker bees,
Grays are seen most often and become the point of debate. As they
reflect the will of their master's, one would better focus on the
horse's head than the other end.
July 30, 1994
It makes a lot of sense if you stop and think about it.
1. There are reams of evidence that abductees are given suggestions
that they later follow. Ie: programmed.
2. It follows, logically, that if this ability exists, our ufo types
could exert influence over elements that would promote conditions
the consider desireable.
3. Furthermore, they could manipulate peoples and events to their own
ends. In my book, I give numerous examples of this, the results
and plenty of historical foundation to prove the premise.
4. In our society, you have 2 major elements that control what happens
in the United States, the media (in all forms) and politicians.
Both are of a liberal bent and have controlled most of the doings
in the U.S. for the last 50 years.
5. If you wish to see the product of liberal rule, you have only to read
the Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire. The corruption and decadence
we are currently experiencing, as well as the general feeling of
impotence and hopelessness, is nothing new.
6. The principles that founded this country are no longer operative.
Liberalism creates dependancy and destroys the incentive to achieve.
It rewards non productivity and eventually destroys countries and
7. The Nordics are, and have been for 10,000 years, the prime
beneficiaries of chaos. Every 700 years we have a version of the
Black Plague that have wiped out over 100 million on two occasions.
Is it odd that we have new killer viruses coming out of no where
at this particular moment in time? I think not.
The Nordics promote their own agenda and have demonstrated a solid
historical ability to manipulate peoples and governments. All of this
can be found and reasoned from only two sources. The Bible and an
Encylopedia. The rest can be assembled with logic and reason.
I will point out one vital point lest the liberal whiners of the forum
find reasons to justify their ineptitude. To be manipulated, one must
agree to do what they know to be wrong. No human being that adheres
to the principles of civilized behavior can be directed into any
Nordic related destructive activity. It is a question of free will.
However, as a matter of historical fact, there are always those who
can be bought but you can't cheat an honest man.
Does it make more sense now?
July 31, 1994
You question imposed a time frame, and I ignored it as I wasn't willing
to open research material and look
up time periods.
Liberalism produces a period of long term decay that culminates in the
collapse of the system promoting
it. In this we are agreed.
Re: The games. Gladiator games were traditional. The death spectacles
of mass execution were not. Fascist is a political extreme. Liberalism,
in it's extreme produces a fascist state (ask any smoker).
Actually, these forms of government are not off the topic of ufos.
The governments reflect the attitudes of the controlling entities.
In my book, I noted that the Nordic agenda has always been one that
culminates in death and destruction (emphasis added). If you care not
whether or genetic material comes from the living or the dead, then
death would be a goal to be achieved. It follows that the more deaths
the greater the achievement of that goal. However, it is noteworthy
that, like good herders, they never decimate the herd beyond it's
ability to reproduce itself.
July 31, 1994
I can't help what you've 'heard', however, my experience is that they
will make no move unless every living creature, capable of harming them,
is sedated to the point of being lobomized. To do otherwise places them
in lethal danger and they won't do it (as a rule). There may be some
exception out there I don't know about, but it is ex parte from their
standard modus operandi.
It also doesn't hurt that there is a loaded pistol next to my bed and
each bullet has the name of a Gray on it.
July 31, 1994
My problem with your scenario is the same as I have with Chris'.
If 'beliefs' were functional here, people would have believed them away
a long time ago. Consider the prodcedure used in an abduction.
1. Sedate every living thing in the house.
2. Open dimensional doorway.
3. Activate tractor beam and take abductee out of bed and into ship.
4. Perform genetic extractions.
5. Reverse procedure and put abductee back in bed.
It is noteworthy that #1 is to give electronic lobotomies to everything
in the house. This makes them incapable of voluntary actions. Ergo,
you have to conscious control.
It is a rare individual who can take subconscious control under these
circumstances. I have only been able to 'become aware' AFTER they've had
me on the ship, butt naked and on the table. Then I can start fighting.
The metaphysical and occult overtones of your post make for good
reading, but based on my experience I can tell you that you have a
negligble chance of success. You fight technology with technology.
August 5, 1994
I have completed the tasks I came here to perform. These were to
1. Inform as to the nature and purpose of ufos and those who
2. Inform as to a defense against these intrusions.
3. Inform as to the nature of our universe, our places in it and
For myself personally, I came to seek out 40 special people with whom
I must make contact. In this effort, I have located 2. The others
are scattered around the planet and the means for locating them has
only recently surfaced.
I've attempted to convey the ideas of free will and choices. If tried
to proffer the idea that fear can be conquered by rational thought and
intellect. It is with these tools alone that we will survive the coming
years, individually and collectively.
I am aware that I have inspired some people to considerable extremes.
Consider that this reaction belies the fact that I have hit a nerve,
one that inspires considerable emotional responses both postive and
negative. This fact alone should demonstrate, if nothing else, that
something is going on.
I will not be posting any more material on this forum. I have reached
a point where the nature of the material is too sensitive to commit
to a public forum. However, I will say this:
The lid is going to blow off the subject of ufos in the next few months.
A ship will appear and will slowly cruise the major cities on the
globe allowing itself to be photographed and documented. This craft
will be manned by humans and renegade hybrids in revolt against the
If you read Revelations, you will note a passage about a pregnant woman
who crushes Satan. That woman is alive and is pregnant with a hybrid
implanted during an abduction. The Nordics can't harvest the fetus
due to the protection of my shield. Revelations further states she
will flee the Earth to a place of refuge. This too is in progress.
Also, that the child will become a great future leader. That remains
to be seen. The truths of my writings will become self evident as
these events occur.
The Nohsaimus are training humans (obe) with the skills necessary to
deal with the upcoming war. The battle for Earth will be fought in
space with humans and hybrids working side by side using a combination
of stolen Nordic technology and Nohsaimus techonology. Satan and his
Nordics will not stand in the face of this hurricaine.
The bulk of the humans utilized in this war will be taken from the
ranks of those taken in the Rapture, approximately 2 years from now.
All will serve voluntarily and willingly. All will represent the best
of what lives in the hearts of man.
We're in for some interesting times.
While I will not be posting here, I will still be available in email
for a while for those who wish to seek me out.
I wish you all well and good luck for the future.
------That's all I have Folks.....
E-Mail Fredric L. Rice / The Skeptic Tank