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--------------------------------------------------------------------- Note: The following is an excerpt from Grant Cameron and T. Scott Crain Jr.'s research paper entitled, "UFOs, MJ-12 AND THE GOVERNMENT". It is a transcript of a phone conversation. I have personally spoken with Steinman, and received assurances that Walker's replies are accurate. The transcript was made within 10 minutes of the phone call, and was not taken from an audio tape. - Tom Mickus <> 8/12/89 --------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- This telephone interview took place on August 30, 1987 between William Steinman of La Mirada, California, and Dr. Eric Walker of State College, Pennsylvania. Walker: Hello. Steinman: Hello...this is William Steinman of Los Angeles, California. I am calling in reference to the meetings that you attended at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in around 1949-1950, concerning the military recovery of Flying Saucers, and bodies of occupants. Dr. Robert I. Sarbacher (now deceased) related this to me. You and Sarbacher were both consultants to D.R.B. in 1950, you were secretary 1950-51. Walker: Yes, I attended meetings concerning that subject matter; why do you want to know about that? Steinman: I believe it is very important subject. After all, we we are talking about the actual recovery of a flying saucer (spacecraft) not built or constructed on this earth! And furthermore, we are talking about bodies of the occupants from the craft who were analyzed human-like beings not of this world! Walker: So...what's there to get all excited about? Why all the concern? Steinman: I am not excited, just very concerned. Here we are talking about a subject that the U.S. Government officially denies, even going to the extent of actually debunking the evidence and discrediting the witnesses. Then you sit there and say, "What's there to get all excited about?" and "why all the concern." Dr. Vannevar Bush, Dr. D.W. Bronk, and others thought it was very important and were concerned enough to classify the subject ABOVE TOP SECRET, in fact the most highly classified subject in the U.S. Government!! Did you ever hear of the "MJ-12 Group" and there "Project Majestic-12" which was classified as TOP_SECRET/MAJIC? I have a copy of President elect D.D. Eisenhower's briefing paper on that project, dated November 18, 1952. Walker: Yes, I know of MJ-12. I have known of them for 40 years. I believe that you're chasing after and fighting with windmills!! Steinman: Why do you say that? Walker: You are delving into a area that you can do absolutely nothing about. So, why get involved with it or all concerned about it? Why don't you just leave it alone and drop it? Forget about it!! Steinman: I am not going to drop it. I am going all the way with this!! Walker: Then...when you find out everything about it, what are you going to do? Steinman: I believe that this entire matter has to be brought to the public's attention. The people should know the truth!! Walker: It's not worth it! Leave it alone!! Steinman: Can you remember any of the details pertaining to the recovery operations and subsequent analysis of the saucers and bodies? Walker: I am sure that I have notes concerning those meetings at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. I would have to dig them out and read them over in order to jog my memory. Steinman: If I write you a letter, will you please answer in as much detail as you can remember. Furthermore, could you please xerox those notes for me and send me a copy? Walker: I might. At least I will keep your letter, will dig out my notes, and contemplate answering. That's the best I can say for now. Steinman: Well, Dr. Walker, I will write a letter as soon as possible. Thanks for your valuable time. Good-bye. Walker: Goodbye. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------

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