HELLO, FOR SESSION TWO. Hello Davdiid. so what are you interested in. i will answer anythi
HELLO, FOR SESSION TWO.
Hello Davdiid. so what are you interested
in. i will answer anything i can?
WELL, I'M INTERESTED IN THE
FORM THAT THESE ENTITIES TAKE. ARE THAY "FOG", FLESH, ETC.?
normally the incantation causes them to appear in whatever
form i choose but they always have red eyes (or at least the
demons do) that burn like fire. quite cute.
HEE, HEE. I'D LIKE
A CUTE DEAMON WITH A VERY SMALL BIKINI, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I CONFESS THAT THE IDEA OF SUMMONING SOMETHING ONE CANNOT TOTALLY
CONTROL BOTHERS ME. THERE IS SO MUCH OTHER THINGS ONE CAN FOCUS
THEIR THOUGHTS AND ENERGIES ON. COULD YOU PLEASE TELL ME HOW
YOU DEAL WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY OF BRINGING SOMETHING TO THE
EARTH-PLANE, THAT MAY CAUSE HARM TO OTHERS? IT'S MORE A KARMIC
DEBT THAN I'D BE WILLING TO PAY.
no. no. the only way someone
could be harmed is if they were within my sight but not my circle. it's
no problem if they break free of my control they can only destroy
what is with in my sight. IF it broke free [IT] would find
itself banished with maraculous(sp?) speed. if
you dont become scared and leave the protection of the cicle
than you are quite safe.
OH. I THOUGH THAT IF ONE'S MIND (WILL)
CONTROLS WHAT ONE SUMMONS, THE ENTITY SUMMONED KNOWS (MAGICALLY?)
HOW TO CONTROL THE MIND. I'M NOT EXPRESSING THIS WELL. IT'S
LIKE THE FRANKENSTIEN MONSTER MORAL THAT SAYS "WHAT YOU CREATE
MAY DESTROY YOU". ALSO, I HAVE READ OF SOME CHRISTIANS WHO PERFORMED
AN EXORCISM WITHOUT PROPER STUDY, AND ENDED UP WITH CASTING
THE "DEMON" OUT OF THE AFFECTED PERSON, BUT INTO ANOTHER. DO
YOU THINK THAT IS POSSIBLE?
oh possesion. quite another thing
entirely! yes the entity summoned can posses you if you do not
protect yourself spirtually and they, i am afraid, do it quite
easily. a few of my "friends" said that is what warped Chareles
Manson so much.
YES, AND EVEN MANSON SAID HE WAS THE DEVIL INCARNATE.
HE WAS ASKED WHEN THE DEVIL WOULD COME TO EARTH, AND HE SAID
"I'M ALREADY OUT THERE, MAN." WITH THAT CRAZED LOOK IN HIS EYES.
AS FOR POSESSION, I BELEVEAVE MANY HAVE EXPERIANCED
EXTERNAL ATTEMPS AT A LESSER POSESSION CALLED "OBSESSION" (NOT
WHAT WE NORNALLY CONSIDER OBESSESSION). WHERE THE EXTERNAL
"FORCE" SUBTELY GUIDES AND CONTROLS IT'S HOST.
yes yes all
of what you said is quite true but i assure you i am not possessed
and doubt that i would be foolhardy enough to not prepare myself
I DIDN'T MEAN TO APPLY THAT (I
MEAN EMPLY). THE POINT I WAS THINKING WAS THAT I HAVE EXPEREANCED
WHAT I CALL "PSYCHIC ATTACKS", WHERE ALOT OF MENTAL AND
EVEN PHISICAL DAMAGE WAS DONE. I HAVE ALSO TAKED TO SOMEONE
IN THE MAGICK ECHO THAT HAD THE SAME THING HAPPEN TO HIM, EXACTLY!
AND IN THE SAME CIRCOMSTANCES (SP?) TOO. I STILL DON'T THINK
ANYTHING "OUT THERE" CAN HARM ONE IF ONE DOESN'T WANT IT TOO.
IT'S JUST THAT THERE ARE TIMES I FELL THAT something IS OUT THERE,
oh i understand. yes, i have had mental battles before
with demons i summoned that left me very much worse
for the wear. but that doesn't normally happen. you see if the
demon were to win he would find himself trapped because the
will works like a flood gate (and they know
it), so that when to much pressure builds up it opens, letting
stuff flood into the subconsisce (sp?) and then snaps back such
and it only opens one way.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE "POSESSION"
WORKS BOTH WAYS? I HAVE READ OF A PRIEST CASTING OUT A DEMON
(OR DOZEN) AND THE DEMON SAID THAT LUCIFER TOLD HIM HE
COULDN'T LEAVE, THOUGH THE DEMON WANTED TO. WIERD. WOULD YOU
TELL ME WHAT FORM YOUR "ATTACKS" HAVE TAKEN? MAYBE THEY ARE
THE SAME AS i AND OTHERS HAVE FELT? I WILL KNOW ALOT MORE
ABOUT WEATHER IT WAS JUST MY IMAGINATION OR NOT.
i have experienced happened with me battling a dog.
i by they way did not see myself also i felt a presence in my
mind directing the dog.
HUM. I HAVE "PROJECTED" MY MIND
INTO A CAT BEFORE, BUT IT FELT TOO WIERD. THE "ATTACK" THAT
I HAVE FELT IS FIRST OFF A FEELING LIKE SOMETHING WAS SITTING
NEXT TO ME, *** WISHING TO EAT ME ***. IT MUST BE WHAT A MOUSE
FEELS WHILE IN THE CAGE WITH THE SNAKE. ANYHOW, I FELT A "HAND"
GRAB ME BY THE FOREHEAD AND PRESS DOWN WITH A GREAT DEAL OF
FORCE. LIKE SOMEONE VERY HEAVY KNEELING ON MY HEAD. AND MY EARS
RING, I CAN'T BREATHE, AND MY BODY CLENCHES TIGHTLY. THIS HAPPENS
WHEN I THINK ABOUT GOOD AND EVIL, AND CONTEMPLATING "EVIL ENTITIES"
LIKE SATAN. THERE IS ANOTHER PERSON WHO THIS HAS HAPPENED TO.
this is always how my attacks begin (my
attack by the way usally come after summoning a demon partially
but not completing the invocation.) but long about
the time i feel my breath starting to be suckerd away i use
a will of energy to force the entity into my mind so that we
may battle properly. this by the way is more
dangerous because if the demon would ever win he would be in
my mind and in total control.
YES! THAT IS WHAT I FELT. I KNEW
THAT IF IT WON, I'D BE LOST AND COULD NEVER "GET BACK IN" MY
BODY. IT WAS A VERY WIERD FEELING. SO YOU WOULD SAY THAT MY
CONCENTRATINBG ON "SATAN" PARTILALLY SUMMONED HIM? ALSO, WHY
WOULD YOU WISH TO "BATTLE" A DEMON IN YOU'RE MIND? WHY NOT JUST
RUN LIKE HELL, (PARDON THE EXPRESSION)?
yes YES!! you know the
old expression "speak of the devil and he shalt come" well it
IS TRUTH!!! and if i battle the demon within and
win than i am promised more power because i "comsume" him and
all the power he carries with him.
WOWWIE! BUT MY QUESTIONING
STILL REMAINS: IF THE METHOD IS SO DANGEROUS, WHY NOT USE ONE'S
"POWER" IN OTHER THINGS? SOME PEOPLE CLIMB MOUNTAINS, OTHERS
SERVE IN SUICIDE HOTLINES. THESE METHODS ALL "RAISE ONE'S POWER",
BUT CAUSE A GOOD DEAL LESS HARM FOR THE MOST PART.
those other methods raise ones power? explain.
AS PROJECTING HARM CAUSES ONE THREE-FOLD HARM, IT FOLLOWS
THAT PROJECTING "GOOD" WILL RETURN "GOOD" THREE-FOLD. IT'S JUST
MY OPINION. I SUSPECT WE MAY NEVER KNOW FOR SURE.
but i don't need good. i need substantial power [on} which i
can "feed" so i can reuse the power i claimed . and don't
misinterperate me- i normally dont want to battle demons
and i dont normally leave incantations half finished.
I HAVE MET SOME "PSYCHIC VAMPIRES" BEFORE, LIKE IN A CONVELECENT
HOSPITAL, WHERE THE SICK DRAW ON ANYTHING TO HELP THEM LIVE.
AS FOR "FEEDING", I THINK A GOOD JOG DOWN THE BEACH WILL DO
THE SAME. AS FOR PROTECTION, I HAVE LEARNED TO SURROUND MYSELF
WITH A PROTECTIVE BUBBLE. I DO SO EVERYTIME I ATTEMPT TO HEAL
SOMEONE AT A DISTANCE (I PUT THEM ON MY "SCREEN", AND VISUALIZE
THEM HEALTHY). I HAVE YET TO BE HARMED THIS WAY, I FEEL, BECAUSE
I'M DOING IT TO RAISE SOMEONE ELSE'S "POWER", AND NOT MY OWN.
well i don't draw from other people so i can't be doing anything
awful and i most definitly don't care if i do: i am practical
WELL, THAT BRINGS IN THE QUESTION OF RESPONSIBILITY
AGAIN. I DON'T LIKE TO GAIN THROUGH ANOTHERS LOSS, THOUGH I
KNOW THAT'S THE STRUCTURE LIFE IS BUILT ON. THAT'S WHY , AMONG
OTHER REASONS, THAT I DON'T EAT MEAT, AND RESTRICT MY TRASH
TO ONLY BIO-DEGRADABLE. IF I DIDN'T EARN SOMETHING, i don't
you must be more practiclal David. i mean you
need to gain a large amount of knowledge during a ceremony
and then see just how greedy one can get even though it
could cost others.
NO ONE NEED TELL ME THAT THERE ARE THOSE WHO
WOULDN'T HESITATE TO USE ME FOR COMPOST, ** if i let them ** BUT
I FIND THAT I CAN USUALLY FIND ALL THE KNOWLEDGE I NEED, RIGHT
IN MY OWN MIND. I JUST HAVE TO COAX IT OUT, WHICH IS OFTEN HARD.
ALSO, THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE THIS HARD WORK FOR
ME ALREADY, AND ALL I NEED TO DO IS READ THEIR BOOKS OR SEEK
well i understand what you are saying and i am as you
say willing to give you any knowledge you want. so is there anything
else interesting you about wizardry? hum is there? huh huh huh?
FIRST OFF I THINK THAT "KNOWLEDGE" COMES FROM within, AND THAT
ONLY "INFORMATION" IS GATHERED FROM AN EXTERNAL SOURCE. AS TO
"WIZZARDRY", I DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT, AND REALLY CAN'T
SEE WHY I WOULD NEED TO KNOW MUCH IF ANYTHING. I FIND THAT SERVICE
TO OTHERS, AND "LOVE" IS JUST AS GOOD AT RAISING ONE'S "POWER"
THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
okay i under stand . i will not classify
the info we have share under the title "wizardry" any more
and i will just go with the flow, so to speak, so it will be
IF YOU ARE INTERESTED, THERE IS A "SATANIST" NAMED TIM
MARONEY ON THE MAGICK ECHO. HE MAY LIKE TO DISCUSS THINGS WITH
YOU. THEN AGAIN, HE MAY NO LONGER BE USING THE ECHO
(WE AREN'T SURE). I MUST ALSO CONFESS THAT I'M INTERESTED IN
THE "DESIGNS" YOU DRAW WITH CHALK. IF NOT A PENTACAL, THEN
i use the sygil and incantation from an acient eleventh
century latin manuscript that was translated though i still
use the latin chants.
I HAVE OFTEN WISHED I KNEW LATIN! IT'S
SUCH A USEFUL LANGUAGE. THE ROSCRUTIAN ORDER HAS A "HERMETIC
SEAL" MEDALION, THAT I FEEL IS VERY POWERFUL. I WOULD
LIKE A WALL POSTER OF IT. OR HAVE IT PAINTED ON THE FLOOR, OR
AS A BED SHEET.
hum very interesting i speak latin fluently so
if its in latin i would love to translate it. also if it is
on a medaliion than get one leave a message to me with the
words it says on it and i witll begin translation at once!
I'M NOT SURE, BUT I THINK THE ONLY THING WITH LETTERS ON IT
ARE JUST GREEK CHARACTERS, THAT DON'T ACTUALLY SPELL ANYTHING,
BUT RATHER MEAN SOMETHING BY THEMSELVES. ALSO, THERE IS A MASSONIC
MEDALION WITH COMPASS AND DIVIDERS THAT'S REALLY NEAT. I'D
LIKE A MEDALION OF THAT, AS WELL, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO
yes a lake of info. well i need to sign off if you don't
mind i have thing thatS must be done in this mundane world, unfortunatly.
OK. SEE YOU. BYE.
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