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(1922) Sat 24 Jun 95 21:08 By: LARRY SITES To: DENNIS WEBBER Re: Paul taugh Jesus, NOT! St: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ @EID:f8d4 1ed8a900 Dennis Webber to Larry Sites on 06-21-95 13:37 re: Paul taugh Jesus, NOT! DW>I had only recently joined this conference (my BBS had only recently go DW>FIDO access) and was wondering if you had ever posted any additional DW>information on "Mithraism" in the past; and if so, would be willing to DW>repost it here again..? DW>I would be particularly interested on any other works from Mr. Shmuel DW>Golding in this area, as he appears credible and factual. Nothing from him but here's a few other things: From : LARRY SITES To : ALL Subj : BAR MITHRA The Sept/Oct issue of Biblical Archaeology Review pages 40-53 has an article by David Ulansey titled, "Solving the Mithraic Mysteries". He says that the earliest literary evidence for the Mithraic mysteries is the historian Plutarch in 67 bc who said that a band of pirates in Cilicia were practicing "secret rites" of Mithras. Ulansey goes on to suggest that the symbolism of Mithra slaying the bull is an esoteric symbolism for a god that is capable of altering the physical universe. Ancient people believed the earth was the center of a fixed sphere of stars. In 128bc Hipparchus discovered the precession of the equinoxes through the celestial equator from Tarus, the bull, to Aries, the ram. Thus it was observed that there must be a god capable of moving the clestial sphere above the earth, ie "killing" the bull so that the next sign might live. He goes on to suggest that the symbolism of Mithra being born from a rock in a cave represents a god being born from the cosmos, ie as seen from outside the universe. He likens this to the Orphic myth of the snake-entwined "cosmic egg" out of which the universe was formed when the creator-god Phanes emerged from it at the beginning of time. In other words, Mithra was the latest and greatest in a long line of ever greater gods based on the then current understanding of the physical universe. It is easy to see how the christians of that time co-oped him to be a part of their mythos just as they presently presume the observations of evolutionary science support their superstitious nonsense and in centuries past stole all the good religious stories such as the life of Buddha to be saints of their own misrepresentation. From : J.J. HITT To : ALL Subj : AUGUSTINE ON MITHRAS Stumbled into an interesting quote today: "I remember that the priests of the fellow in the cap [Mithras] used at one time to say, 'Our Capped One himself is a Christian." -- Saint Augustine (John I, Disc 7.) ------------------------------------------------------------- From : FREDRIC RICE To : ALL Subj : MITHRAS INFORMATION 1 OF From: quirke_a@ix.wcc.govt.nz Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.homosexuality Subject: Mithrasism and Christianity Date: 24 Jun 1994 09:24:19 GMT Organization: Wellington City Council, Public Access As promised, here's the commentry from "The Paganism in Our Christianity" by Arthur Weigall (paper edition published G. P. Putnam's Sons, New York --- London, the Knickerbocker Press, 1928) on Mithrasism's influences on early Christianity. Weigall was an academic Anglican clergyman writing before the war. The references he gives can probably still be hunted up if anyone's interested. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Chapter XIII The Influence of Mithra During the first three and a half centuries A.D. the increasingly powerful rival of Christianity was the religion known as Mithraism, that is to say, the worship of the solar god Mithra or Mithras which had been introduced into Rome by Cilician seamen about 68 B.C., and later on spread throughout the Roman world, until, just before the final triumph of Christianity, it was the most powerful pagan faith in the Empire. It was suppressed by the Christians in A.D. 376 and 377; but its collapse seems to have been due rather to the fact that by that time many of its doctrines and ceremonies had been adopted by the Church, so that it was practically absorbed by its rival, Jesus Christ supplanting Mithra in men's worship without the need of any mental somersaults. Originally Mithra was one of the lesser gods of the ancient Persian pantheon, but he came to be regarded as the spiritual Sun, the heavenly Light, and the chief and also the embodiment of the seven divine spirits of goodness; and already in the time of Christ he had risen to be co-equal with, though created by, Ormuzd (Ahura-Mazda), the Supreme Being [J.M. Robertson, /Pagan Christs/, p. 290.], and Mediator between him and man [Plutarch, /Isis et Osiris/, ch. 46; Julian, /In regem solem/, chs. 9, 10, 21.]. He appears to have lived an incarnate life on earth, and in some unknown manner to have suffered death for the good of mankind, an image symbolising his resurrection being employed in his ceremonies [Tertullian, /Praescr/., ch. 40.]. Tarsus, the home of St. Paul, was one of the great centres of his worship, being the chief city of the Cilicians; and, as will presently appear, there is a decided tinge of Mithraism in the Epistles and Gospels. Thus the designations of our Lord as the Dayspring from on High [Luke, i. 78.], the Light [2 Cor. iv. 6; Eph. v. 13, 14; I. Thess. v. 5; etc.], the Sun of Righteousness [Malachi iv. 2; and much used in Christianity.], and similar expressions, are borrowed from or related to Mithraic phraseology. Mithra was born from a rock [Firmicus, /De errore/, xxi.; etc.], as shown in Mithraic sculptures, being sometimes termed ``the god out of the rock'', and his worship was always conducted in a cave; and the general belief in the early Church that Jesus was born in a cave is a direct instance of the taking over of Mithraic ideas. The words of St. Paul, ``They drank of that spiritual rock ... and that rock was Christ'' [I Cor. x. 4.] are borrowed from the Mithraic scriptures; for not only was Mithra ``the Rock'', but one of his mythological acts, which also appears in the acts of Moses, was the striking of the rock and the producing of water from it which his followers eagerly drank. Justin Martyr [Justin Martyr, /Dial. with Trypho/, ch. 70.] complains that the prophetic words in the Book of Daniel [Dan. ii. 34.] regarding a stone which was cut out of the rock without hands were also used in the Mithraic ritual; and it is apparent that the great importance attached by the early Church to the supposed words of Jesus in regard to Peter --- ``Upon this rock I will build my church'' [Matt. xvi. 18.] --- was due to their approximation to the Mithraic idea of the /Theos ek Petras/, the ``God from the Rock''. Indeed, it may be that the reason of the Vatican hill at Rome being regarded as sacred to Peter, the Christian ``Rock'', was that it was already sacred to Mithra, for Mithraic remains have been found there. The chief incident of Mithra's life was his struggle with a symbolical bull, which he overpowered and sacrificed, and from the blood of the sacrifice came the world's peace and plenty, typified by ears of corn. The bull appears to signify the earth or mankind, and the implication is that Mithra, like Christ, overcame the world; but in the early Persian writings Mithra is himself the bull [J.M. Robertson, /Pagan Christs/, p. 298.], the god thus sacrificing himself, which is a close approximation to the Christian idea. In later times the bull is interchangeable with a ram; but the zodiacal ram, Aries, which is associated with Mithra, was replaced by a lamb in the Persian zodiac [Bundahish, ii. 2.], so that it is a lamb which is sacrificed [Garucci, /Les Myste`res du Syn. Phrygien/, p. 34.], as in the Paschal conception of Jesus. That this sacrifice had originally a human victim, and that it later involved the idea of the sacramental death of a human being, is clear from the fact that the Church historian, Socrates, believed that human victims were still sacrificed in the Mithraic mysteries down to some period before A.D. 360 [Socrates, /Eccles. Hist.], bk. iii., ch. 2.]. Thus the paramount Christian idea of the sacrifice of the lamb of God was one with which every worshipper of Mithra was familiar; and just as Mithra was an embodiment of the seven spirits of God, so the slain Lamb in the Book of Revelation has seven horns and seven eyes ``which are the seven spirits of God'' [Rev. v. 6.]. Early writers say that a lamb was consecrated, killed, and eaten as an Easter rite in the Church; but Easter was a Mithraic festival [Macrobius, /Saturnalia/, i. 18.], presumably of the resurrection of their god, and the parallel is thus complete, in which regard it is to be noted that in the Seventh Century the Church endeavoured without success to suppress the picturing of Christ as a lamb, owing to the paganism involved in the idea [Bingham, /Christian Antiq./, viii. 8, sec. 11; xv. 2, sec. 3.]. The ceremonies of purification by the sprinkling or drenching of the novice with the blood of bulls or rams were widespread, and were to be found in the rites of Mithra. By this purification a man was ``born again'' [Beugnot, /Hist. de la Dest. du Paganisme/, i. p. 334.], and the Christian expression ``washed in the blood of the Lamb'' is undoubtedly a reflection of this idea, the reference thus being clear in the words of the Epistle to the Hebrews: ``It is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins''. In this passage the writer goes on to say: ``Having boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which he hath consecrated for us through the veil, that is to say his flesh ... let us draw near ... having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water'' [Heb. x. 19.]. But when we learn that the Mithraic initiation ceremony consisted in entering boldly into a mysterious underground ``holy of holies'', with the eyes veiled, and there being sprinkled with blood, and washed with water, it is clear that the author of the Epistle was thinking of those Mithraic rites with which everybody at that time must have been so familiar. Another ceremony in the religion of Mithra was that of stepping across a channel of water, the hands being entangled in the entrails of a bird, signifying sin, and of being ``liberated'' on the other side; and this seems to be referred to by St. Paul when he says: ``Stand fast in the liberty wherewith Christ has made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage'' [Ga. v. 1.]. Tertullian [Tertullian, /Praescr./, ch. 40.] states that the worshippers of Mithra practised baptism by water, through which they were thought to be redeemed from sin, and that the priest made a sign upon the forehead of the person baptised; but as this was also a Christian rite, Tertullian declares that the Devil must have effected the coincidence for his wicked ends. ``The Devil'', he also writes, ``imitates even the main parts of our divine mysteries'', and ``has gone about to apply to the worship of idols those very things of which the administration of Christ's sacraments consists''. In this rite he must be referring both to the baptismal rite and also to the Mithraic eucharist, of which Justin Martyr [Justin Martyr, /1 Apol./, ch. 66.] had already complained when he declared that it was Satan who had plagiarised the ceremony, causing the worshippers of Mithra to received the consecrated bread and cup of water. The ceremony of eating an incarnate god's body and drinking his blood is, of course, of very ancient and originally cannibalistic, inception, and there are several sources from which the Christian rite may be derived, if, as most critics think, it was not instituted as an actual ceremony by Jesus; but its connection with the Mithraic rite is the most apparent. The worshippers of Mithra were called ``Soldiers of Mithra'', which is probably the origin of the term ``Soldiers of Christ'' and of the exhortation to Christians to ``put on the armour of light'' [Rom. xiii. 12. Compare also Eph. vi. 11, 13.], Mithra being the god of Light. As in Christianity, they recognised no social distinctions, both rich and poor, freemen and slaves, being admitted into the Army of the Lord. Mithraism had its austerities, typified in the severe initiation rites endured by a ``Soldier of Mithra''; and the Epistle to Timothy, similarly, exhorts the Christian to ``endure hardness as a good soldier of Jesus Christ'' [2 Tim. ii. 3.]. It also had its nuns and its male celibates [Tertullian, /Prascr./, ch. 40.]; and one of its main tenets was the control of the flesh and the repudiation of the world, this being symbolised in the initiation ceremony, whereat a crown was offered to the novice, who had to reject it, saying, as did the Christians, that it was to a heavenly crown that he looked. We hear, too, of hymns which could be used with equal propriety by Christians and Mithraists alike [/Rev. Arch./, vol. xvii. (1911), p. 397.]. The Mithraic worship always took place in caves, these being either natural or artificial. Now the early Christians, openly and for no reasons of secrecy or security, employed those subterranean rock chambers known as catacombs both for their burials and for public worship. LIke the Mithraic caves, these catacombs were decorated with paintings, amongst which the subject of Moses striking the rock, which, as I have said above, has a Mithraic parallel, is often represented. The most frequent theme is that of Christ as the Good Shepherd; and although it is generally agreed that the figure of Jesus carrying a lamb is taken from the statues of Hermes Kriophoros [Pausanias, iv. 33.], the kid-carrying god, Mithra is sometimes shown carrying a bull across his shoulders, and Apollo, who, in his solar aspect and as the patron of the rocks [/Hymn to the Delian Apollo./], is to be identified with Mithra, is often called ``The Good Shepherd''. At the birth of Mithra the child was adored by shepherds, who brought gifts to him [/Encyc. Brit./, 11th ed., vol. xvii., p. 623.]. The Hebrew Sabbath having been abolished by Christians, the Church made a sacred day of Sunday, partly because it was the day of the resurrection, but largely because it was the weekly festival of the sun; for it was a definite Christian policy to take over the pagan festivals endeared to the people by tradition, and to give them a Christian significance. But, as a solar festival, Sunday was the sacred day of Mithra; and it is interesting to notice that since Mithra was addressed as /Dominus/, ``Lord'', Sunday must have been ``the Lord's Day'' long before Christian times. I may again mention here, in passing, a subject to which I have already referred and will return in a later chapter, namely, that of the origin of our Christmas. December 25th was the birthday of the sun-god, and particularly of Mithra, and was only taken over in the Fourth Century as the date, actually unknown, of the birth of Jesus. The head of the Mithraic faith was called /Pater Patrum/, ``Father of the Fathers'', and was seated at Rome; and similarly the head of the Church was the /Papa/, or ``Father'', now known as the Pope, who was also seated at Rome. The Pope's crown is called a tiara, but a tiara is a Persian, and hence perhaps a Mithraic, headdress. The ancient chair preserved in the Vatican and supposed to have been the pontifical throne used by St. Peter, is in reality of pagan origin, and may possibly be Mithraic also, for it has upon it certain pagan carvings which are thought to be connected with Mithra [J.M. Robertson, /Pagan Christs/, p. 336.]. [ End ] Larry Sites JC's Fireman: Luke 12:49 Freq FORGERY.ZIP, Falisfy Fundi father fakery ___ * WR 1.31 # 398 * I Don't know where I'm going. 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