By: David Rice
To: Rob Bamford
Re: ICR Credentials #1 of 2
RB> David Rice expressed the following opinions not too long ago in
RB> this Forum and failed to present any way to verify the validity
RB> of the claims:
Nonsense. Do you have a telephone? Call the ICR cult and =ASK.=
Voice: (619) 448-0900, (800) 7-GENESIS
Fax: (619) 448-3469
The ICR cult's address:
P.O. Box 2667
El Cajon, California
>DR> Richard Bliss --.
>DR> Harold Slusher | I asserted there is evidence
>DR> Kelly Seagraves |---- they bought degrees or lied
>DR> Clifford Burdick | about having them.
>DR> Carl Baugh --'
RB> Now, some of this information as claimed has been looked into
RB> by someone that I passed the information to, and AS STATED,
RB> some of it may be correct if the claims are valid. So, we
RB> request that you produce verifiable documentation to the given
RB> charges, e.g.:
"Charges?" Just try finding some of the schools and universities
I named--- you won't be able to. Then ask the ones you DO find if
they teach what these Creationists claim to have degrees in: many
do not. Then ask if the school or university is accredited to grant
degrees: many are not, nor do they.
RB> - Where does which ICR staffer claim what degree from
RB> which institution? - Names, Dates, Places, Documents, Page
RB> Numbers, etc.
"ICR 1990-91 GRADUATE SCHOOL General Catalog." 45-page. Lists
not only the degrees claimed, but the curricula. CALL them and
ask for a copy. They will be more than happy to send stuff to
you if you tell them you wish to join their cult. When you get
the catalog, attempt to find some the schools and universities
listed---- don't hold your breath.
RB> Anybody can say that somebody else claimed something, now
RB> produce the proof. I, as a fundamentalist Christian, DO want
RB> to know the truth of this organization, so any information WILL
RB> be researched and verified one way or the other. Thanks for
RB> your input regarding The Institute for Creation Research.
I do not believe for an instant that a Fundamentalist has the
slightest interest in truth. See the next message.
References that members of the ICR cult, both faculty and
assorted fring members, either bought their degrees or claim to
have degrees they do not. Also included are references that
many of the schools and universities the claimed degrees come
from do not now, nor have they ever, existed.
"Evidence for Scientific Creationism," _Science_, May 17, 1985,
Vol. 228, page 837.
time"_trial," Harpers, April 1982, pp. 38-78.
"Creationism in Schools. The Decision in McLean verses the Arkansas
Board of Education." _Science_, February 19, 1982, volume 215,
"Reviews of Thirty-One Creationist Books," National Center for
Science Education, 1984.
"Evolutionists Confront Creationists. Proceedings of the 63rd
Annual Meeting of the Pacific Division," American Association
for the Advancement of Science, April, 1984, volume 1, part 3.
"Science as a Way of Knowing - Evolutionary Biology," _American_
Zoologist_, volume 24, number 2, 1984.
"Crusade of the Credulous," California Academy of Sciences
"On Creationism," Free Inquiry, Spring 1982, volume 2, number 2,
"Creationist Pseudoscience," the Skeptical Inquirer, Fall 1983,
volume VIII, number 1, page 32.