By: LARRY SITES To: CRYSTAL MANSFIELD Re: RE: BRUCIE'S BRAIN CM+gt; My religious beliefs t

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By: LARRY SITES To: CRYSTAL MANSFIELD Re: RE: BRUCIE'S BRAIN CM> My religious beliefs tell me that the soul enters the body at CM> birth... For most of history, religion has said that the soul did NOT link up at conception. From a couple of other posts: From me: Hey fundi, why don't you check the historical rules of your own religion! Until 1588, abortion wasn't killing till after "ensoulment", which happened in typical biblical sexist fashion at 40 days for male fetus and 80 days for female fetus. This "truth" was endorsed by no less than Thomas Aquinas till pope Sixtus V tried to change god's mind by outlawing it. Three years later Gregory XIV straightened god out again by making abortion legal and noting that ensoulment happened at 40 days for both sexes. Abortion was ok with the church till a mere 135 years ago when Pius IX changed god's mind again and also had god teach him the dogma of papal infallibility and immaculate conception. All these facts are reported in the Mar/Apr 94 issue of that heathen magazine _The Humanist_ on page 43's article "What Happened to Original Sin". And: Subj: Catholic Abortion Mythology Date: 94-11-20 20:53:17 EST From: ricks@aztec.inre.asu.edu (RICK SHUMAKER) A common Catholic claim is that their abortion position has been unwavering. For instance, a priest recently claimed in the leading Phoenix newspaper that the Catholic Church had maintained a "consistent position on abortion for the last 2,000 years" It's not true. Their current position, that abortion is murder from conception on, is actually a relatively recent one. For virtually all its history (excepting for three years starting in 1588 when a pope changed the rules, which his successor rescinded), until the late 19th century, the Catholic Church held abortions to be penalty-free until "ensoulment." That is, 40 days after conception for males, 80 for females. (The reasoning for that difference is enlightening, too.) In practice, since there was no way of determining the sex of the fetus, abortion was exempt from punishment for the first 80 days. The current policy has been in effect only since 1869. For more, see Uta Ranke-Heinemann's book, _Eunuchs for the Kingdom of Heaven_ (pp. 75, 211, 249). Heinemann is a Catholic theologian/scholar. It's a great book for learning of Catholic church history (read: hypocrisy, manipulation of doctrine) regarding celibacy, abortion, sexuality, women's rights and more. That history ain't pretty. The book is referenced, has an index, and is out in paperback.

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