Computer underground Digest Tue Feb 7, 1995 Volume 7 : Issue 10 ISSN 1004-042X Editors: Ji
Computer underground Digest Tue Feb 7, 1995 Volume 7 : Issue 10
Editors: Jim Thomas and Gordon Meyer (TK0JUT2@NIU.BITNET)
Archivist: Brendan Kehoe
Retiring Shadow Archivist: Stanton McCandlish
Shadow-Archivists: Dan Carosone / Paul Southworth
Ralph Sims / Jyrki Kuoppala
Copy Icecreamer: B. Robbins
CONTENTS, #7.10 (Tue, Feb 7, 1995)
File 1--HoHoCon '94 Report (reprint)
File 2--ANNOUNCE: DEFCON ]I[ INFO (fwd)
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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 06:54:20 -0500
Subject: File 1--HoHoCon '94 Report (reprint)
December 29, 1994 - January 2, 1995
Ramada Inn South, Austin, TX
A Review, released to the Net on 1/25/95
By Netta "grayarea" Gilboa
I flew to Austin, TX after spending Christmas with some hacker
friends. I arrived a day early, unsure if the Con was gonna come off
and how many people would show if it did. HoHoCon had almost been
cancelled this year after someone called the original hotel and said a
bunch of mean, evil hackers were gonna descend on the hotel and that
several federal agencies would be sending feds there to monitor it. If
you ask me, some kid's mom said he couldn't go so he decided to try to
make sure none of us could either. Lame. It also taught me that
everyone in this community has enemies. Maybe someone just doesn't
like Drunkfux. Supposedly, right after this phone call the hotel got
another, this time from Dateline NBC who wanted permission to film the
Con. Rumor had it the hotel panicked and cancelled. The truth is that
a regular client of theirs offered to pay higher room rates and the
hotel stood to make over $20,000 extra by getting rid of us and having
them there instead. So they used the phone calls as an excuse. I can
only imagine the hassles Drunkfux went through to find another hotel
that was empty on New Year's Eve weekend.
But Drunkfux came through with flying colors and when I got to the
hotel they told me other people had started to arrive. They gave me a
list of these people to look at, complete with their real names and
room numbers. It's possible they would even have xeroxed the list if I
had asked them to. Uncool. Even more uncool, almost shocking, was that
the hotel had a clipboard on the counter with people's real names,
assigned room number and credit card number complete with expiration
date. It was listed in alphabetical order and I was on the top page in
the third spot. I freaked. I told the woman behind the counter that
she must move the clipboard as some of the people coming specialized
in attacking people's credit and that I would surely be a target given
my position on the list and my all too well-known real name. She said
okay but when I returned my luggage cart, some twenty minutes later,
it was still on the counter. I told her again, nastier this time, to
move it. An hour later she still had not. I then asked to use a phone
and was told there was one in my room and another down the hall. I
explained that I wanted to call right from the counter to cancel my
credit card and to call the national offices of Ramada Inns to have
her fired. In a nasty tone she told me she'd move the clipboard. She
did. However, the next day they threw the pages in the trash and, of
course, had the clipboard on the counter again with a new list of the
people due to check in that day. I argued with them again and they
moved it. A few hours later (surprise!) their trash was invaded and
they went out and bought two paper shredders. This was a good
investment on their part although it's a shame it took us to teach
them that. If you intend to stay at a Ramada Inn anywhere in the U.S.,
I would strongly advise you not to prepay with a credit card. They
can't be trusted with your data. We invite readers who may have
experienced credit card fraud after staying at Ramada Inns (or other
hotels) to contact us. It was a sobering lesson in how vulnerable the
average person is in society.
I had plans to hook up with Stormbringer and Holy Spirit, two virus
writers I love talking to. Stormbringer had recently retired from virus
writing after hearing from someone in Singapore who got infected with
one of his non-malicious viruses. I had read his retirement text file and
was anxious to talk to him about it. He assured me on the phone all was well
and they agreed to meet me at Mr. Wasabi for sushi and I ate more sushi
than I ever had before in one sitting. Then we walked to a coffee house
and they drove me back to my hotel around 1 a.m.
I was invited to Novocain and Particle's room so I headed up there and
ran into Veggie, Onkel Ditmeyer, Count Zero, Buckaroo, etc. Onkel showed
me his way cool laptop and I finally got to see what an IBM demo looks
like. These are programs which demonstrate the sound and graphics
capabilities of a computer. He copied a few of them on a disk for me along
with some electronic magazines I had never seen. Onkel is the author of a
well known phreaking program called Bluebeep. We spoke a lot over the
weekend and I found him brilliant, honest, charming and not afraid of
girls who know way less than him. He was one of the coolest people at
HoHoCon this year.
At 6 a.m. a few of us went downstairs for free breakfast and the
conversation turned to the various women who hang out on #hack. There
was some dissing of one girl who has slept her way around the scene and
in the past had given a number of hackers herpes without telling them
first. Eeks. I tried to get out of the guys I was eating with what she
had that I didn't (besides herpes). I message most of her old lovers on
IRC but none has ever made a pass at me. We talked about the other girls
on IRC, who has slept with whom, and how they got treated afterwards. We
talked about why people might have slept with those particular girls at
the time they did and I suddenly felt both very lucky and better about
myself that the one hacker I had slept with was a decent choice. Quality
might beat quantity. To know for sure, I guess I'd have to ask the girls
We picked up a bunch of food that was apparently not included in our
free breakfast coupon. The waitress didn't know how to handle it and
neither did we. I offered to put the food back and she finally agreed to
let us eat it. I suggested they put up a sign to warn others and, of
course, they didn't. Later I heard they let us all eat the bacon and other
food for the rest of the Con. I never made it back down there again even
though for American food it was pretty good. I was pretty tired and so
headed off to sleep when we were done chowing down.
I woke up Friday afternoon when Particle and Novocain knocked on the
door. They had a car and took me to a chinese restaurant nearby with a
killer buffet. When we got back there were many people in the lobby
listening to a tape of prank phone calls made by Phone Losers of America.
I wanted the tape bad as it seemed highly appropriate for us to review.
I was promised a copy which materialized in under an hour. W0rd! For all
the shit I take for it, there are advantages to being press.
I felt pretty comfortable with all of the people I was talking to and
since my room was very close to the lobby I invited everyone there and
even left the door open for others to enter my room (which almost
everyone who passed by did). It was kind of odd where they had situated
me. You could watch my door from the counter where people checked in. I
had asked for a smoking room but got dealt non-smoking instead. I
inquired about changing it and was told some crap about all the rooms
being accounted for already. It crossed my mind at the time that maybe
some feds had purposely put me there but I discounted my gut feeling and
remembered most hackers thought I was too paranoid about things. I told
people to go ahead and smoke in my room with no ashtray. They did. All
told about 15 people were in there and one of them pulled out a toy
to show me. It was a box that hooked up to your telephone which allowed
you to change your voice into that of a male, female or child. I had seen
these boxes before in catalogs. They sure work great! I made two calls
with it, one to a friend and one to my ex-husband. I snickered at how
surprised they'd be when they heard my message and later regretted not
telling either or them to save it so I could hear it back. Honestly,
playing with this legal box was every bit as cool as great drugs or sex.
I vowed to buy one. Watch out!
Talk turned to dinner and people started to leave my room. Particle was
the last one out and he showed me something about how the hotel room locks
worked. Hackers spend hours trying to figure out how things work and
although I had little interest in the subject it was clear Particle was
struck by the techonology and not the idea of breaking into someone's
room. I started to organize people who were willing to eat sushi. Just as
we were about to leave Particle and Novocain were gathering everyone into
a room to tell people to chill their behavior. It later turned out that
Particle had played with another lock after I made him stop touching
mine. He had the misfortune to be seen by a member of the Austin Police
Department who wisely agreed not to arrest him in exchange for Particle's
agreeing to talk to people in an attempt to curtail the usual HoHoCon
hotel destruction. I should have attended this talk although I had no
idea at the time why it was being organized. But I was starving and
the people I took to eat sushi were not those who would consider trashing
a hotel. Laughing Gas, Thumper27, Slyme, El_Jefe and I checked out Kyoto
sushi which was good but expensive for what you got. I spent part of dinner
wiping the free space on the hard drive on my laptop. I had never used
this feature before, but had been told about it at the con and it sounded
like something I should start doing regularly to protect other people's
privacy so that erased E-mail and articles were truly erased. It was a
good thing I had sushi to eat to keep me busy as it took a good twenty
minutes to do on a Pentium laptop with a 500+ meg hard drive.
When we got back to the hotel I ran into Drunkfux who had cut his
hair and dyed it bright red. I hardly recognized him but it looked great.
It was clear by the police presence in the lobby that the Con had
officially started. We were told that signs hung on room doors (I had
put up a copy of one of the magazine covers with a small piece of scotch
tape) would be taken down. This made it much harder for us to find each
other (I'd estimate we had 90% of the hotel's rooms) but so it goes.
Some people were told specifically that they could not use their modems
and for hours on Friday night the phone lines were so busy with modem
usage that there was no way to make an outgoing call or to receive an
expected incoming one. All sorts of security guards appeared. The ones
I spoke with were police officers too. I'd guess there were 1-3 dozen
around at all times and apparently hotel personnel were told they were
all on duty until we left and none of them were able to go home for the
rest of the weekend. I wish I could say this was utterly unwarranted.
But some lamer broke the lock on the door to the hotel's phone system.
And remember that another person had trashed the hotel's garbage and
must have made a mess or been spotted.
The hot party that night was in Erik Bloodaxe's room. Loki, Ice-9
and Ophie were staying with him and Loki was in charge of the door.
He made sure to keep me out just as he does when he acts like a bully
on IRC. I knew in my heart it was Loki's doing not ErikB's, but that
didn't stop me from getting majorly upset about it anyway. I went
downstairs to be alone and Particle knocked on the door a few minutes
later. I gave him a piece of my mind and then some about how shitty
some of those in the computer underground are. I went on for at least
an hour and drew great comfort from the fact Particle thought I was not
crazy and that things are as awful as they seem sometimes. Finally
he told me that since I kept claiming to love hackers despite all of the
grief, there were dozens of nice ones out there who would be thrilled to
talk to me if I'd only leave my room and go try to have a good time. W0rd.
I took his advice and had a good time in the lobby with the other rejects
from Bloodaxe's party. The conversation was so good it was hard to tear
away to go to sleep. I went to my room at 4:30 a.m., got under the covers,
thought about sleep for 10 seconds. Then I pulled out my laptop and wrote
a speech to deliver to the crowd the next day.
The two people I had counted on to wake me up didn't show and it was a
stroke of luck that made me jump up at 9:45. The speeches were supposed to
start at 10 a.m. and even though they surely wouldn't start till later I
was selling magazines and was due there pronto to claim my table. It took a
luggage cart to get all those magazines downstairs. I shudder to think what
my life will be like when I have 30 issues to lug around instead of six.
The folks from Fringeware were selling books and T-shirts and someone else
had old Atari game units and cartridges. People came by to say hi and to
buy magazines. I plugged my speech and told people not to dare miss it.
It was impressive that Drunkfux had gotten so many original speakers
on such short notice. They mostly said what the crowd wanted to hear and
shared thoughts on digital cash, the regulation of the Internet, recent
laws, etc. Damien Thorn showed a video clip to the tune of the current
rock hit "21st Century Digital Boy" which had cellular phones, scanners,
etc. in it. It's part of an upcoming video that looked awesome. Veggie
talked about dealing with the media after an old text file of his was
used to harass a BBS sysop who got more than twice Phiber's jail sentence
just for having a file around.
Someone sent Erik Bloodaxe to talk to me as part of my speech referred
to him. It was an uncomfortable talk and I was probably correct in feeling
that half the room was watching us and not whoever was speaking. I told
him he could pay me back in print or elsewhere but that I was going to
go ahead with what I planned to say and he surprised me by saying that
what I had written was fine and he even added to it. He also told me
that Loki had gotten too drunk and had been a pain in the ass to room
with the night before. He assured me that although way too many people
had been in his room, and way too many had tried to get in after it was
full, it had not been his intention to keep me out. I felt bad that I
even cared, and that he knew I cared, and that he and I even had to
discuss it. I was unhapy that he had no intention of staying to hear my
speech or the fight with Loki that he knew was coming but didn't
mention to me. We left things with the fact that we'd go out for dinner
or something the next night with Ophie (who also had an early flight)
after the bulk of the Con was over. It occured to me then it would never
happen because plans are hard to keep at Cons but I mentioned it in my
My speech went over very well. It was about what's been going on at
Gray Areas since I spoke at HoHoCon last year. It was also about the
behavior of certain elements of the community and how that behavior has
affected me. And it was a stern warning about some busts that are coming
down. I know a few people got the message. I could tell from the gasps
and laughter at key points. But perhaps the highlight of the speech was
the confrontation between Loki and I when he chose to bully me before
anyone else could ask a question. I answered his accusations and managed
to do a decent job even with no warning. Whatever he hoped to accomplish
clearly wasn't working and from somewhere deep inside of me I found the
courage to ask the entire room to vote on whether or not they really
never wanted to see me on #hack again. The only vote opposed in a room of
about 250-300 people was Loki's. Hours later I regretted not thinking to
ask how many people never wanted to see Loki there again. Four people had
come up to me and told me they would have voted him out. Loki left the
room with his tail between his legs and ran to IRC. By the time I got on
hours later word had spread a story that I picked a fight with him and
he had won. The proof is in the videotape which will be available soon
from Drunkfux. It's highly recommended for both friends and foes of mine.
Drunkfux said demand for this portion of his footage was very high. I
promised to give him better footage and an even better speech next year.
Later Count Zero wrote this about my speech in Cult of the Dead Cow:
"Grayarea gets up and begins to read off a pre-prepared speech on her
laptop. Her speech is too quick for my alcohol-byproduct-sodden synapses
to register accurately. I keep staring at her dress...bright tie-dye...
mesmerizing...it's actually quite cool. Suddenly, Loki gets up in the
audience and the accusations fly back and forth between them. You kicked
me off IRC. You called my office at work. You are doing this, you are
doing that. Both are getting into this verbal slugfest in a major way.
I feel the bad karma in the room hanging heavy like blue-green cigar
smoke. "Can't we all just get along??" I yell, but noone seems to hear
me. I don't know who is right or wrong (it's probably somewhere in
between...the truth's always gray, right?), so I don't hypothesize. All I
do know is that I'd never want to piss off Grayarea...she's damn strong
on her convictions and won't take shit from anyone. I think she'd look
better up there wearing a big ol' leather jacket with studs...terminator
style. "One tends to assume that people wearing tie-dye gear are quiet,
meek, very soft spoken, non-confrontational types....it is a camoflage
that suits her well," I think. Bahaha! I liked your comments, Count Zero.
And I did hear you yell that.
After the speeches I sold more magazines thanks to Loki who
inadvertently made way more people interested in me. Bahahaha! Some of
them said they liked or loved my dress, some of them hugged me and some
of them signed up for subscriptions and gave me their data. I then
headed off for dinner at yet another sushi restaurant. Laughing Gas
and Slyme came again along with Mr. Spock who agreed to lose his sushi
virginity to me and jokingly said that way he'd get mentioned in my
review. I thought he was one of the three kewlest people I hung out with
at the Con. I hope I get to spend more time with him at a Con in the
future and I'd even be willing to go try his favorite type of food! The
sushi place we picked was awesome. I was sorry I hadn't found it
sooner. It's almost too bad HoHoCon will be in another city next year.
I also wanna mention the elite, Jak_Flack, who drove us to the restaurant
when cabs were scarce on New Year's Eve. He didn't want any sushi or
any money. He even got lucky and gave a ride to people who probably
would have done the same thing for him under the same circumstances.
After dinner I did what Drunkfux begged us not to do. I spent New
Year's Eve on IRC. I messaged Mr. Spock, in fact, who was typing from
the other side of the room. I also messaged some hackers I talk to all
the time. Some were lonely and glad to see me. I thought a lot about
loneliness. Some of us prefer to be with computers than people. Some of
us can open up more easily to people on a computer. And some of us need
computers around even when we're with other people. I was typing from an
account at hohocon.org and there were several people in the room having
fun with their "site" as X and Y tried repeatedly (and succeeded) to get
root there. I had never seen root before from the position of the person
protecting it. I should have paid way more attention but I got too caught
up in having conversations. I should also have paid more attention to the
people in the room with me. Loq and Fool were there and they seemed really
kewl but I got too lost in IRC. Oh well, at least I wasn't hopelessly
drunk. And I wasn't kicked or banned once. People were delicate with each
other on IRC. They were often drunk, vulnerable and more likely to reveal
things when conversing. Those who were on were more than willing to talk
to anyone who showed up. People apparently intend to make public the
hohocon.org logs. If they include IRC chats it would be very shallow. I
will never again take the chance and IRC from a Con again. Although I have
mostly come to terms with the fact that I am a semi-public figure and
people will always want to see whatever I type on the Net, but it's not
fair to expose the words of the people I messaged.
I dragged myself off IRC about 4:30 a.m. and went downstairs to clean
off one of the beds. Novocain and Particle had checked out of their room
and were gonna stay in my room for one night. I was thrilled at the idea
of having company. But when the bed was empty it looked tempting and I
lay down for the 90 minutes till I was due to meet them at the breakfast
buffet. Next thing I knew it was Sunday afternoon. Oops! I wondered where
they had slept. Apparently they hadn't wanted to wake me so they slept
in another room. I felt bad but at least their stuff had been safe which
is all you really care about at a Con. SORRY! Next time, guys, wake me.
I stumbled into the lobby and joined the conversations that were going
on. A hotel employee asked if we'd mind moving to the conference room and
we agreed. We figured the room was bugged just as the hotel phone lines
had been. But we weren't talking about anything secret and a few of the
hackers answered all of the questions asked by the cop/security guard who
hung out for about half of the time we were in there. It was a very fun
time there on the floor chatting with Voyager, Ophie, Onkel Ditmeyer, lgas,
Deadkat, Drunkfux, etc. There were way more people but I'm drawing a blank
on specifically who. I went upstairs to get more magazines and ran into
Bruce Sterling. He was growing facial hair and looked great. He said he
felt lousy which shows what I know. I hugged him before he said he felt
lousy. We talked about the book he is working on. Then Ophie and I went
off to be interviewed about female hackers and the treatment of women by
hackers. It could have used Cori and Noelle but it made some good points.
We came downstairs and I saw Drunkfux at work videotaping an interview
with the guys from TNO in Colorado. This was priceless footage of them
discussing how a group decides policies and handles politics and how they
have applied political thought to hacking. I was sorry I had missed half
of it and sorry I had spent so much time socializing with them that it
had never occured to me I didn't know much about their group and I should
have interviewed them too. I hope Drunkfux includes every word of their
interview in the video.
Ophie brought up the idea of photos and so I grabbed my camera.
Everyone there got into it and I got a whole roll of film of people
hugging and kissing me, looking at porn mags with Ophie and generally
playing around somehow. They came out great. If you want yours passed
around or published, let me know. Until then, they're private.
Slyme and I headed back to Mr. Wasabi for dinner but to our surprise
it was closed! New Year's day turned out to be a bad day to try to find
places open to serve food. We should have stayed at the hotel. We finally
ended up in a bar which served food, ordered hot chocolate and consoled
ourselves on the lack of sushi. Back at the hotel a bunch of us went
room hopping and tried to determine who was left. My flight was at 7 a.m.
and I had no intention of going to sleep and taking a chance I would miss
it. Several people had flights at 8 and 10 a.m. Others were staying on
for 3 more days to get better airfare rates. I heard ErikB had left with
Ophie and he told me later they had asked the hotel and had been told I
checked out. One room we ended up in had a console copier running. I had
heard about them but never seen one and was told it was okay if I
photographed it. I went downstairs for my camera.
I hadn't been alone once since arriving in Austin. While this wasn't
always planned, the thought did occur to me that my room might be watched
and that law enforcement might be interested in any of the many people
I was seen talking to. I had mentioned a controversial interview we had
coming up with ILF and although I thought I was being overly paranoid, I
was still nervous I would be questioned about it. But it was 12:30 a.m.
or so and I felt too silly asking for someone to run downstairs with me.
So I went alone. But as I was closing the door and checking it was locked
I saw someone head down the hall towards me and I knew instantly something
was about to be up. Hackers are right when they say you can't fully
understand this until you have lived it. He asked if I was Netta and I
said yes and then he reached towards his pocket. I knew he was going for
either a gun or a badge and there was nothing I could do about either.
It turned out to be a badge and as he got close enough so that I could
see it read "Austin Police Department" I thought to myself "Kewl, it's
not the Secret Service." He asked me to accompany him to a room and,
holding my camera, I did. He told the two "security guards" that we'd be
leaving the door open. I had asked whether he was the guy who had
called me last March and he said no that he was his partner. I wondered
whether I was under investigation or whether they had no one else to ask
for information or whether they just wanted to meet me after talking to
me voice. It didn't occur to me to ask. I thought several times about the
fact I was supposed to be out with Bloodaxe and Ophie and that if I had
made it a point to leave with them this wouldn't be happening. I wondered
who else APD had questioned who had not told anyone. I wondered if they had
even questioned someone about me. I also feared people would come looking
for me and see me in that room and think I was talking to the police
voluntarily. That I had sought them out. God forbid they should think I
was telling the police about the console copier.
The whole thing only took about 8 minutes and the officer asked me
nothing I had a problem answering. He treated me with respect and didn't
press me to say anything I wasn't comfortable saying. I offered to give
him some of my magazines at the end of the conversation and he walked me
to my room and was clearly planning to wait outside. I invited him in and
he watched me pull issues from three suitcases. It was apparent nothing
illegal had gone on in my room. I'd lay odds it was the cleanest room
there too. The day before, for example, my trash in the bathroom had
been dumped at least three times. None were by me or when I was in the
room. The only thing I couldn't answer, and it was simply from nerves,
was what I had done on New Year's Eve. The answer came out that I didn't
remember and since I stammered it, it must have looked like I had seen or
done something I shouldn't have. But all I did was IRC and eat sushi and
I do that so often I didn't even remember when asked. New Year's Eve had
been almost like any other night.
Anyway, I got the console copier photo (hint: I could use a detailed
article on how they work to run with it). We then moved on to other rooms
and I ran into Drunkfux and Damien Thorn. I did a long video interview
with Drunkfux, who would have made an excellent journalist. He resisted
the idea of asking me petty questions about who I like and don't like in
the scene and who I'd sleep with if I could. I would have answered
anything he asked in the spirit of the HoHoCon video tradition, but
instead we got into more serious issues and people who think Drunkfux is
shallow or a less-than-serious dude due to his IRC reputation will be most
Then Damien did an equally long interview and Drunkfux got eleet footage
of me closing my eyes when the talk got too technical. I did almost pass
out as it was 3 a.m. or so and I felt really comfortable being with them
but I snapped to attention just in the nick of time as Drunkfux had the
camera aimed on me and Damien was making a joke. Damien took it in stride
but I think it was the first time anyone had ever had the chance to listen
to his most eleet technical tips and was bored. I hope he knows I love him,
like most hackers, for the person he is and not for the skills or trophies
he has. I was transfixed as he told Drunkfux his beginnings in the computer
underground and his views on laws, ethics, writing, etc. I just don't lust
to know what model of phones he respects most or what gadget he's tested
last. Luckily for you, Drunkfux did the interview, not me, and he did ask
lots on that sort of stuff. After they were done Damien and I went out to
some fast food burger joint. It was dirt cheap and tasted like cardboard.
We had a great chat, as usual, and then went to the airport with Slyme who
had slept the night away and missed everything. My flight was first and
they walked me to the gate and made a fuss over me and it was the perfect
I can't believe I now have to wait till June (and go to Georgia, of
all places) to see some of you again. Oh well. In the meantime, happy
Valentine's Day to you and whoever you netsex and/or fantasize about.
Happy April Fool's Day in advance too. Just prank someone else this year,
(Sample issues of Gray Areas are $7.00 each (U.S.) and $10.00 each
(foreign) from: Gray Areas, Inc. P.O. Box 808, Broomall, PA 19008.
E-mail addresses are: email@example.com or firstname.lastname@example.org or
email@example.com. PGP key is below. Use it.)
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Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 01:05:37 -0600 (CST)
From: David Smith
Subject: File 2--ANNOUNCE: DEFCON ]I[ INFO (fwd)
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DEF CON III Convention Update #1 (1.xx.95)
August 4-6th 1995 @ the Tropicana in Las Vegas
READ & DISTRIBUTE & READ & DISTRIBUTE & READ & DISTRIBUTE & READ & DISTRIBUTE &
This is _not_ the professional sounding announcement. Use that one to con
your boss / employers out of the cost of the trip. The professional
announcement will be available on the ftp site and other more serious mailing
lists and news groups, etc. This is the k-RaD kriminal shout out to all u
el1te haquer types that aren't in jail to attend 'da def con. werd.
READ & DISTRIBUTE & READ & DISTRIBUTE & READ & DISTRIBUTE & READ & DISTRIBUTE &
What's this? This is an initial announcement and invitation to DEF CON III,
a convention for the "underground" elements of the computer culture. We try
to target the (Fill in your favorite word here): Hackers, Phreaks, Hammies,
Virii Coders, Programmers, Crackers, Cyberpunk Wannabees, Civil Liberties
Groups, CypherPunks, Futurists, Artists, Criminally Insane, Hearing Impaired.
WHO: You know who you are, you shady characters.
WHAT: A convention for you to meet, party, and listen to some speeches
that you would normally never get to hear from some k-rad people.
WHEN: August 4, 5, 6 - 1995 (Speaking on the 5th and 6th)
WHERE: Las Vegas, Nevada @ The Tropicana Hotel
So you heard about DEF CON II, and want to hit part III? You heard about the
parties, the info discussed, the bizarre atmosphere of Las Vegas and want to
check it out in person? You want to do weird shit _away_ from the hotel
where you could get me in trouble? Then you're just the person to attend!
Sure it's great to meet and party with fellow hackers, but besides that we
try to provide information and speakers in a forum that can't be found at
other conferences. While there is an initial concern that this is just
another excuse for the evil hackers to party and wreak havoc, it's just
not the case. People come to DEF CON for information and for making
contacts. We strive to distinguish this convention from others in that
respect. Plus this year we have official DEF CON GOONS(c) who will pummel
you until you pass out should you cause problems for other con.friendly
people! Big Brother loves you!
What's been said (Only the good stuff will be quoted, of course)
Stevyn - "Why can eye say, it was intense! . . . the whole con just kicked
ass! I totally recommend you check out the next one."
Gail Thackeray, Prosecutor, "It's partly an entertaining party, it's
partly a fashion statement. But it's mostly something about which the
business world has no clue."
Wendy Murdock, Boardwatch, "Def Con represents the tug-of-war that has
always been present - people strive to get that which is just out of
reach, aggravating governments and breaking rules in the process."
WHERE IT IS:
The Tropicana has rooms reserved for the convention. Rooms are expensive.
They are even more expensive if you don't book under the convention. If it
is to expensive for you, please see the section below on Las Vegas www sites
can provide you with information on other nearby hotels that are cheaper.
Check-in is 3pm, check-out time is 12 noon. Remember there is an 8% sales
tax in Vegas.
65$ Single or Double room, Midweek (Mon-Thurs)
90$ Single or Double room, Weekend (Fri-Sun)
350$ One-Bedroom Suite (Call for Availability)
The Tropicana, 3801 Las Vegas Blvd. So., Las Vegas, Nevada, 89109
(702) 739-2581 or (800) 468-9494 or (702) 739-2448 (Fax)
Held in three conference rooms at the Tropicana hotel in Las Vegas, DEF CON
promises to be interesting. The Tropicana has a huge pool (largest in the
world? Anyway, lots of cool movies have been filmed with this pool in them)
and in August Vegas should be about 100(f) degrees at one in the morning.
What do you care? You'll be wired on caffeine and not sleeping anyway. There
are numerous attractions in town from the strip bars to the local COs in case
you seek distraction.
The Tropicana is located right on the "Strip" with the other three corners of
the street occupied by the MGM Grand (Largest hotel in the world), the
Excalibur, and the Luxor (The big sense-net pyramid). If you can afford it
I totally recommend spending some extra time in town.. there are too many
cool things to do, especially if you have never visited. Heck, last time I
got to rent and fire uzi's and MP-5 machine guns (OK, so you can do that for
free in Los Angeles) see some strippers, and drink 1$ bottles of imported
beer. What a place! Now you know why I chose Vegas for a location.
This year there will be a number of special events going down, including:
[> Haquer Jeopardy [> Spot the Fed Contest [> Voice bridge
[> Giveaways [> A Red Box Creation Contest [> A Video Room
[> Cool Video Shit [> Scavenger Contest [> Who knows?
Because of the increased costs associated with the convention this year, the
price of admission will be 30$ in advance (See the end of this announcement
the address to pre-register to) or 40$ at the door. This will include
your goovie 24bit color name tag and a conference program.
Don't forget to factor in Hotel costs, (The more people you crash with, the
cheaper it is) gambling, food, gas, bail, etc.
This is a partial list of speakers for this year. More are being invited
or waiting to make plans. As this list changes further announcements will
be made. This should give you a flavor or what to expect, though.
[> Winn Schwartau, Author of "Information Warfare" and "Terminal Compromise,"
is a consultant to government and the private sector regarding enterprise
and national security concerns. TOPICS: "Information Warfare, the year
in review" (Comedic) and "Tempest Attack Videos."
[> Len Rose AKA Terminus is root at Bar Net, the largest internet provider in
the world. Sun Microsystems and HP are some of their customers.
After the legal fiasco Len faced years ago (as partially chronicled in
"The Hacker Crackdown." This will be his first chance to speak of his
experiences without the threat of having his parole revoked. TOPIC: To
be decided later.
[> Chris Hall of Executive Protection will be demonstrating a fully
equipped "A-Team" van, a fully loaded spy mobile with all types of cool
interception and surveillance goodies. Last year his talk included an
overview of surveillance techniques. TOPIC: To be decided later.
[> Sarah Gordon, AKA Theora, a veteran of DC II will be presenting another
speech this year. Last year she organized a round table discussion
with Phil Zimmermann and Presence, and revealed that the Anonymous
remailer anon.penet.fi was compromised. TOPIC: Not Announced Yet.
[> Curtis Karnow, former federal prosecutor and attorney focusing on
intellectual property litigation and computer law. TOPIC: Agents in the
telecommunications context, and "smart" software that we 'trust' to do the
Right Thing. The specific issue is legal liability and responsibility for
the actions of intelligent agents, and then spinning off to chat about the
liability for artificial intelligence generally.
Speakers will be talking Saturday and Sunday, and maybe Friday depending.
So you think you're so damn smart, eh? Think your shit doesn't stink?
Right. Think you got one up on the Feds, huh? Well, now's your chance to
prove it smarty-pants. Winn Schwartau will take command and moderate.
! A N N O U N C I N G !
H A C K E R J E O P A R D Y
That's right. You can now prove how smart you really are. Get up on stage
and question a few answers, pile up the points . . . and win big!
You know the game. You know the rules. Now all you have to do is have the
guts, get up on stage in front of your peers and the narcs and show us all!
When? After Dark Tangent's opening speech (which we're all really looking
forward to . . . [yawn] HACKER JEOPARDY starts!
MIDNIGHT - DAY 1 of DEFCON.
If you wanna play . . . show up. If you don't wanna play, don't show up.
There will be three rounds of three people. Just like real. The winners of
each round will go into the Finals and the winner of that will win 25,000
units of some foreign currency! From Dark Tangent himself! Plus:
- A t-shirt three sizes to small for the women
- No t-shirts for the men.
- Silk jackets for everyone.
- One Heineken per player per round at DT's expense.
- Round trip directions to Hoover Dam
- Phiber Optik's home address
- Eric Bloodaxe's Blood Samples
- And more . . .
Contestants will be picked at random from a pool of those who want to play.
If you don't wanna play, don't enter the contest. Only the elite survive!
FEDS: If you get picked to play, and we ask you what your job is, YOU HAVE
TO TELL THE TRUTH! If you don't, our custom Fed-O-Meter will detect your
lies and off to the casinos you go!
Potential categories for questions include:
- - Famous Busts - Famous Narcs - UNIX Bugs - Telco Tech - "Hacking"
and beware of the killer daily double. Bribing the judge is acceptable.
So, in the inimitable words of Al Bundy . . . LET'S ROCK!
3rd ANNUAL SPOT THE FED CONTEST
Spot the fed, win the shirt
"Like a paranoid version of pin the tail on the donkey, the favorite sport
at this gathering of computer hackers and phone phreaks seems to be hunting
down real and imagined telephone security and Federal and local law
enforcement authorities who the attendees are certain are tracking their
every move.. .. Of course, they may be right." John Markhoff, NYT
Basically the contest goes like this: If you see some shady MB (Men in
Black) earphone penny loafer sunglass wearing Clint Eastwood to live and
die in L.A. type lurking about, point him out. Just get my attention and
claim out loud you think you have spotted a fed. The people around at the
time will then (I bet) start to discuss the possibility of whether or not a
real fed has been spotted. Once enough people have decided that a fed has
been spotted, and the Identified Fed (I.F.) has had a say, and informal vote
takes place, and if enough people think it's a true fed, or fed wanna-be,
or other nefarious style character, you win a "I spotted the fed!" shirt,
and the I.F. gets an "I am the fed!" shirt.
Note to the feds: This is all in good fun, and if you survive unmolested
and undetected, but would still secretly like an "I am the fed!" shirt to
wear around the office or when booting in doors, please contact me when no
one is looking and I will take your order(s). Just think of all the looks
of awe you'll generate at work wearing this shirt while you file away all
the paperwork you'll have to generate over this convention. I won't turn in
any feds who contact me, they have to be spotted by others.
TELEPHONE CONFERENCE BRIDGE
For DEF CON III there will be a dial in conference set up. If you are
overseas, or just too poor to make it to the convention this year, you can
still get an idea of what is going on and participate. One part of the voice
conference equipment will allow you to listen to the convention room
microphone, another will allow you to ask questions during the Q&A sections
of peoples speeches. A general conversation area will be up so you can chat
with others at the convention, or just others dialed into the bridge.
As more technical information and phone numbers become available for the
bridge I will post them in future convention updates.
Navigate through the voice mail maze and get free phone sex! Impress others!
SPOOAH DOOPAH RAFFLE GIVE AWAY!@#
Throughout the convention, between speakers and events there will be a raffle
giveaway in which if your number is drawn, you win the prize. Last year's
giveaway included an ancient kaypro monochrome portable, a roll of Sprint
"security" tape, "Computer Warriors" evil anti-virus cartoon, a 240 meg IDE
HD, and other elite things.
>> All the prizes given away are donated by other convention goers, so if <<
>> you have any stuff to give away, please save and donate it to the con! <<
RED BOX BUILDING CONTEST
While we don't encourage or condone the use of toll fraud devices, we do
encourage creativity and expression of thought. We combine these and come
up with a red box creating contest. The final device doesn't have to
produce the real red box tones (Can't have people getting arrested) BUT it
does have to produce some tones like with the stock crystal. This contest
is inspired by last year's give away of a red box "Big Red" that looked just
like a big pack of Big Red gum, but really was a red box. Elite! There was
also a little girl's doll that was a red box, but the switch for that one was
hidden under the dress and, well, it just wasn't given away.
Come up with unique ideas! With just a Hallmark card and some spare time you
can create an elite 007 style tone generating device! What will you win if
yours is chosen as the most k-rad beside the envy of fellow hackers? You'll
get a tee shirt and the cost of admission to the convention refunded PLUS
some as-of-yet undecided prize. I bet you just can't wait to burn your
fingers with your soldering iron now!
THE VIDEO ROOM
In one of the rooms a LCD wall projector will be hooked up connected to a
VCR, and people can bring flicts to play. Stuff like Max Headroom, War Games
etc. You know, the cool cheesy stuff. Also some "hacker" videos will be
shown. If you have something you wanna show, bring it along. When the
projector is needed in the main conference room it will be swiped for the
COOL VIDEO SHIT
At this time we are working to see if a T1 connection is possible. If it is
there will be a cu-see me connection set up with multiple video cameras in
various locations. Images will also be added automatically to a WWW page for
people to snag. As all this works itself out there will be further
announcements. No, there will be no "Hack our server" contests, and there
will be "Security Professionals" with "Diagnostic Tools" to "Correct" any
people who may case the network problems.
A scavenger contest is being planned. The person or group with the most
number of items on the list wins the prize. (Prize undetermined as of yet)
and there will be a few follow up prizes. Don't forget to carry massive
amounts of water as you run about the concrete jungle, dehydration can
happen just crossing the street. This is a contest for only the most k-rad.
WHAT YOU CAN DO TO HELP
DEF CON III will be planned right up until the last minute, with problems
being fixed and new things being added all along.. a sort of work in progress
that you get to witness in person when you show up. Hopefully it won't be
too messed up when presented to the public. What can you do to help?
- -> We are looking for people to speak on Personnel Information Gathering and
selling. Hopefully a speaker (who could remain anonymous) in this area
has experiences in gathering and selling such information. If you know
of such a person, please invite them to contact me or let them know we
are looking for such speakers.
- -> We are looking for some people to submit artwork to be used in the
convention someplace. It could be a poster, or in the program. Black
and white art would be eligible for the program only.
- -> Articles and interesting ftp sites, www pages, mini FAQs, etc. are all
wanted for the program. Quality articles that are informative and apply
to the theme of the convention. Scanner frequency lists,
MORE DEF CON INFORMATION
The World Wide Web Page is located at: http://dfw.net/~aleph1/defcon
FTP Site: ftp.fc.net /pub/defcon
Mailing lists: mail firstname.lastname@example.org with the following statement in the body
of your message: subscribe dc-announce This will set you up on the mailing
list and you will receive updated information, information on the other
mailing lists offered, etc. I suggest joining the dc-stuff list just so you
can talk and plan with other people going to the con to coordinate rides,
sharing of rooms, etc.
Voice or Voice Mail: 0-700-826-4368 from a phone with AT&T LD.
E-Mail: email@example.com (The Dark Tangent)
Snail Mail: 2709 E. Madison #102, Seattle, WA, 98112
BBS System to call for info if you don't have net access:
Alliance Communications - +1 612 251 2511 - USRobotics HST DS 16800
NUP: New World Order
Underground Information for Security Professionals and interested parties.
Formerly ASU Underground in Tempe, AZ (602) & Radio Waves in MN (612).
Associated Electronic News Network from American Justice Federation
International Information Retrieval Guild Distro Site, Electronic Frontier
Foundation MEMBER, and Phantasy Magazine Distribution Site.
INFORMATION ABOUT LAS VEGAS
Please note the following newsgroups may or may not be designated for local
distribution (Distribution: Vegas and/or nv), and is intended for all
systems in the Las Vegas area or those interested in same on the same level
as the la, ca, ba, ny, nyc, and other similar local higherarchies:
vegas.bi Talk for bisexually natured persons
vegas.config Configuration discussions for the higherarchy
vegas.food Anything about food in Las Vegas
vegas.for-sale For Sale/Want ads (no commercials, please!)
vegas.general General discussion
vegas.jobs Jobs offered and wanted in Las Vegas
vegas.motss MOTSS community talk
vegas.personals Personal ads - any nature
vegas.singles Talk for singles
vegas.test Group to test post to
WWW PAGES about Las Vegas, Hotels, Things to do, etc.
STUFF TO BUY
Stuff is for sale from DEF CON I and II in case you are interested. From the
first year we have audio tapes (4 90 minute tapes) for $20 and the second
year (10 90 minute tapes) for $30. Descriptions of these tapes are below.
DEF CON I Tapes (4) include the following speakers:
Ray Kaplan, Curtis Karnow, Gail Thackary, Dead Addict, Dark Druid, Judi Clark
Dan Farmer, and Dr. Mark Ludwig.
DEF CON II Tapes (10) include the following speakers:
Phillip Zimmermann : Keynote Speaker, PGP.
Gail Thackary : Response to Mr. Zimmerman and Privacy issues.
Chris Hall : Electronic Surveilance.
Curtis Karnow : Recombinant Culture, Crime in the Digital Network.
Dr. Mark Ludwig : Virus Creation Awards and What to do when the Feds come.
Judi Clark, Mara, Fen and Marianne in a Round Table Discussion.
The Dark Knight : Hacking in the U.K.
Sara Gordon, Mark Aldrich, Phil Zimmerman: Internet and PGP privacy concerns.
Annaliza (Torquie) : The European Underground scene.
Mark Lottor : Various cellular topics.
Winn Schwartau : HERF guns, Van Eck, Information Warfare
Peter Beruk : The role of the SPA, general Q&A.
Padgett Peterson : Anti-Virus writing, Cleaning up other peoples messes.
The Jackal : A basic radio overview with Q&A.
Artimage : Underground spoof and give aways.
Stephen Dunifer : Radio Free Berkeley and pirate media.
Damien Thorn : Random Cell information from the late night tech talks.
SHIRTS are still available to buy. The ones remaining are long sleeve white
with the choice of two styles. Both styles have a three color logo on the
front (Red, Gray, Black) with "DEF CON". The back is either a list of
strange grep key words and "inside" keywords with "Why? Because I can." at
the top. Back #2 is the same back as DEF CON I with the old and "new" 4
Amendment as stated by J.P. Barlow with "Protect your rights, Encrypt your
data..." at the top. The back on this style is two colors.. black lettering
framed in light gray for better definition. Shirts are $20.
SHIPPING : If you buy anything, please include 2.90 for priority shipping.
LAST AND LEAST
OK! Your almost ready to go. Now here is an E-Z to follow checklist of
things you should take care of before throwing caution to the wind and
bailing out to the dangerous and sexy-wrong world of Las Vegas. In the
words of one famous (and abused) phone system: "Sit up straight, PAY
ATTENTION, Listen to what your being told. (Now try again)" (Whoever can
identify that phone system first gets in free)
StUPh 2 D0 b3fore the C0nvent1ion:
_ Check out inpho about Vegas so you know what you wanna do.
_ Get a hotel room or some crash pad.
_ Bring $40 for admission or pay $30 in advance.
_ Bring your PGP key on disk to key sign with others.
_ Bring Laptop, laplink, serial, and bizarre gender changer cables.
_ Bring things to donate for the give-away raffle.
_ Leave massively incriminating evidence at home.
_ Police scanners can provide hours of fun in Vegas.
_ Bring interesting videos to play in the video room.
_ Caffeine and snacks are fun to eat.
_ Don't forget any drugs or medication you may need.
_ You won't need saline for your contact lenses, you won't be sleeping.
_ Anything you promised your friends you would bring for them.
_ Join the mailing list and arrange rides or rooms with others in advance.
MY PGP KEY
This is the unsigned version
My signed version is available on the public key-servers
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WHY IS THE ANNOUNCEMENT SIGNED?
Well, last year it came to my attention that some unknown person in
California had modified an announcement and was having people mail their
pre-registration money to them instead. It was actually pretty funny. Only
one person was fooled and lost 10$. Not bad. I knew something was up when
he said he had pre-registered for 10$ and had the receipt I had supposedly
mailed back. I am never that organized! To avoid potential problems like
this one please verify this announcement!@# My key is available for
verification on public key servers, and my key-id is 46A8294D. The
other key you will find on servers may be my older 1284bit key, which is
still good, but just not used to sign this text.
END ANNOUNCEMENT ---------------------------------------------
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