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Yet more hate by Christians. Most of the claims are complete lies, but that's never stopped Christian hate groups before. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Analyzing Current Issues BACKGROUNDER published by The Minnesota Family Council April 1993 Some Things You May Not Know About Homosexuality Despite the attention Given to Homosexuals in the media and in the public forum many citizens are not informed regarding the homosexual community and its goals. Many are uncertain about what they should do in response to homosexuality. The Facts presented here are intended to help these citizens make up their minds. 1. The Homosexuals: Goals For the past many years homosexuals have been working to implement the Gay Right Platform drawn up at the National Coalition of Gay Organizations Convention, Chicago, 1972. In addition to other goals, they are committed to: *"Federal encouragement and support for sex education courses, prepared and taught by Gay women and men, presenting homosexuality as a valid, healthy preference and life-style which is a viable alternative to heterosexuality." *"Repeal of all state laws prohibiting private sexual acts involving consenting persons; equalization for homosexuals and heterosexuals regarding the enforcement of all laws." *"Repeal of all state laws prohibiting solicitation for private voluntary sexual liaisons; and laws prohibiting prostitution, both male and female." *" Enactment of legislation so that child custody, adoption, visitation rights, foster parenting, and the like shall not be denied because of sexual orientation or marital status." *"Repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent." *"Repeal of all legislative provisions that restrict the sex or number of persons entering into a marriage unit; and the extension of legal benefits to all persons who cohabit regardless of sex or numbers." (1) 2. The Homosexuals : Their Identity *Homosexuals claim to have been born with an innate, natural and undeniable desire for sexual contact with those of the same gender. *The reality, however, is that nobody is born homosexual. Modern research that purports to "prove" a genetic link has been both scientifically flawed and philosophical biased. *Dr. James McCary,, author of Sexual Myths and Fallacies; "Neither present day endocrinological tests nor microscopic or clinical examination have revealed any physiological differences between the heterosexual and homosexual individual." (2) *Dr. Charles Socarides, Albert Einstein College: " Homosexuality, the choice of a partner for the same sex for orgiastic satisfaction, is not innate." (3) *Masters and Johnson, sex therapists and researchers: "The genetic theory of homosexuality has been generally discarded today." (4) *The most telling evidence, though, that homosexual drive is not undeniable is that thousands are leaving the homosexual lifestyle. Most require counseling and support group help but the change is clearly possible. *Dr. Socarides: "Psychotherapy appears to be unsuccessful in only a small number of patients of any age in whom a long habit is combined with...lack of desire to change." (5) *people may find themselves with a propensity (temptation toward same gender sexual activity, but, as we seen, that propensity is not undeniable. It is similar in this regard to toward alcoholism, excessive anger or other destructive practices. *The conclusion of the matter is, then, that whatever the strength of the drives involved, homosexuality is a decision, not a destiny. 3. The Homosexuals: Their origins: Dr. George Rekers, University of South Carolina: *Homosexuality stems from "difficulties in the parent-child relationship, especially in the earlier years of life. The homosexual has suffered from some deficit in the relationship with the parent of the same sex, and there is a corresponding drive to make good this deficit through the medium of same-sex or homosexual relationships." Dr. Elizabeth Moberly, Cambridge University: *The following factors frequently are present:*Abuse, either physical or sexual. (85-90% of lesbians have been victims of sexual abuse.) *traumatic family upheaval at critical periods in the child's life. *Rebellion-need to defy authority (parents, society). *Opportunity to engage in homosexual behavior. *The homosexual Lifestyle later becomes bondage. 4.The Homosexuals: Their Numbers *Based on Alfred Kinsey's famous but flawed 1948 report, it is frequently claimed that 10% of the population is homosexual. *Kinsey's research, however, has been discredited by revelations of researcher bias and non-representative sampling. (6) *The Correct Numbers are: *University of Chicago study: 1% Exclusively homosexual *National Center for Health Statistics: less than 3% homosexual or bisexual. *Dr. William Simon, (research associate with Kinsey Institute). 1% males mainly homosexual ( however he estimates realistically 2-3%).. 5. Homosexuals: Their Lifestyle Compared to heterosexuals, homosexuals are: *Much more promiscuous *A 1982 study by the US. Center for Disease Control revealed that 50% of male homosexuals have had over 500 different sexual partners; for AIDS victims,the average is 1,100. (7) *Much more pedophilic *In one study, two homosexual researchers found that 73% of male homosexuals had sex as adults with boys nineteen or younger. (8) *Much more abusive *Data from several studies suggest that, considering men and women together homosexuals are at least 8-12 times more likely to molest children than heterosexuals. (9 10 11) Another set of data indicated that homosexual teachers are at least 5 times more likely to make sexual advances toward, and at least 7 times more likely to have sexual contact with, their students than their heterosexual counterparts. (12) *their sexual activity usually takes the form of oral and anal intercourse (i.e., sodomy) or mutual masturbation. *In a national study of U.S. Sexual practices 9 (the results of which are parallel to other studies 13) the following data were collected for homosexual men. [Data for heterosexual men in brackets for comparison.] *93% report anal sexual relations [vs 36%]. (14) *92% report having engaged in oral-anal sexual activity, i.e. inserting the tongue into or licking the anus [vs 25%] (15) (71% more than once [vs. 20%] (16)). *17% report eating and or rubbing themselves with feces of their partners [ vs. 1%]. (14) *29% report urinating on or in their partners [vs. 4%]. (14) *37% report sadomasochism [vs. 5%]. (14) *12% report the giving and receiving of enemas for sexual pleasure [vs.2%]. (14) *42% report "handballing" or "fisting"where the hand and arm are inserted into the rectum of their partner [ vs. 2%]. (14) *32% report bondage [vs. 10%]. (14) *15% report having sex with an animal [vs. 3%]. (14) *67% report participation in group orgies [vs. 12%]. (15) *One researcher estimates that homosexuals are fifteen times more likely to commit murder than heterosexuals. (17) Police often assume gory murders to be homosexual until proven otherwise. (18) *Approximately one out of ten homicides in San Francisco is due to sadomasochistic sex among homosexuals. (19) 6.The Homosexuals; Their Health *Because of their use of the organs of excretion for orgasmic satisfaction and because of their high level of promiscuity (see Section 5), homosexuals open themselves up to a host of serious health problems. *Even before the AIDS crisis, male homosexuals were known to be a very unhealthy group. For example, a group of rare bowel diseases usually found only in the tropics became so common in the homosexual community that it was designated " gay bowel Syndrome." (20) *Homosexuals account for half of the U. S. cases of syphilis,21 gonorrhea of the throat and intestinal infections. (22) *The infection rate for infectious hepatitis B is 20-50 times greater for homosexual males than for heterosexual males. 23 It is estimated that one-half to three-fourths of homosexual men have or have had this disease. (24) *Diseased homosexual food handlers in public restaurants were responsible for major outbreaks of amebiasis and hepatitis A infections in San Francisco and Minneapolis. (25) *AIDS in its early years in U. S. Was almost exclusively a male homosexual disease.(Sixty-five percent of U. S. AIDS cases- 87% in Minnesota-still occur in homosexual men.) The overwhelming risk factor for sexual transmission of the disease is receptive anal intercourse, (26) in which the rectum is frequently torn. (27) Even when the rectum is not torn, though, seamen can readily penetrate the rectal wall (the wall of the vagina cannot be so penetrated), enter the bloodstream and wreak havoc with the immune system. (28) *The cost to society of dealing with these health risks is difficult to calculate. The annual medical costs of caring for AIDS patients alone is expected to increase from $5 billion to over $10 billion in 1993. (29) 7. The Homosexuals: Their strategy *Since the homosexual lifestyle revolved around the practice of sodomy (i.e., anal or oral intercourse), it is difficult for homosexuals to gain societal acceptance for their behavior where that practice is illegal. One of the first stratagems employed, therefore, is to try to have state sodomy laws repealed. *Homosexuals argue that government has no business regulating what goes on in the bedroom. Laws against bestiality, rape, child sexual abuse, polygamy, incest and prostitution refute this assertion. *Another argument is that sodomy should be legalized because it is a "victim less crime." The lifestyle and health issues raised above, however (see sections 5 & 6), make it clear that the practice of sodomy has numerous victims. It carries an unacceptable price tag,not only for the individual homosexual and his partners, but for those who might be drawn into the lifestyle and the rest of society. *In addition to trying to have sodomy laws repealed, homosexuals have tried to gain acceptance by seeking to have "sexual orientation" added to the list of classes- race, gender, national origin, etc. - protected by civil rights laws. In the process of arguing for these "gay rights" laws, they draw an analogy between their situation and that of African Americans before the civil rights movement. *The analogy, however, is not a good one. People of color cannot abandon their color the way many people are abandoning their homosexuality. *The main reason the analogy breaks down is that nearly all the classes traditionally protected by civil rights statutes share a common immutable trait or status which they did not choose, while homosexuals share a common behavior which they do choose. (30) There is no more logic to granting such protection to homosexuals then there would be to granting it to other behavior-based groups such as smokers, joggers, or homemakers. *What homosexuals are seeking then, is a special privilege--a protection of their particular behavior not available to otherss: the right to practice oral and anal sodomy with others of the same gender without having that lifestyle taken into account, even by people who find it immoral, unhealthy, undisciplined, enslaving, unwise and/or repugnant. 8.The Homosexuals: Their Costs *Granting homosexuals the "rights" they seek means that other people will lose their rights. Parents and schools will lose their right to choose who will teach, supervise or serve as role models for their children. Property owners will lose their right to protect themselves, their property and their other tenants from undesirable influences. Churches will lose their right to exclude staff whose practice violates their doctrine. Examples of such inequities abound. *The big Brothers organization in Minneapolis was ordered to accept a homosexual for a role model relationship with a young boy without telling the boy's mother about his homosexuality. They were also ordered to pay legal costs and undertaken affirmative action solicitation in the homosexual media. An appeal to the state district reversed this finding, but did not reimburse court costs. *In St. Paul, a Catholic priest was found to be in violation of that city's "gay rights" ordinance for refusing to hire a homosexual teacher who said he just wanted to teach young boys. The priest was narrowly saved from a possible $300 fine and 90 days in jail when the voters of the city overturned the ordinance. *Two young women in Madison, Wisconsin, who advertised for an additional roommate declined to rent to a lesbian who applied. They were ordered to pay a $1,500 fine, submit to reeducation courses taught by homosexuals, write a letter of apology and have their housing situations monitored for two years. *The Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis was ordered to pay damages to a homosexual Catholic group for refusing to rent space to them in church-owned building near the University of Minnesota campus even though the group's teaching and practice were in violation of church doctrine. *In addition, "gay rights" statues will increase the percentage of people, especially youths, drawn into the destructive homosexual lifestyle. Many teenagers are insecure in their emerging sexual identities. As many as 25% may have had youthful homosexual experiences. Greater public support for homosexuality will make it easier for many vulnerable young people to be lured into homosexual lifestyle. 9. The Homosexuals: Their Needs *Homosexuals believe their primary need is for public approval, not just of themselves as persons, but also of their behavior. *What they really need, however, is not public approval of their behavior but public disapproval. Public approval of homosexual behavior, such as is granted in repeal of of sodomy statutes or the enactment of "gay rights" statutes, serves only to affirm them in a destructive lifestyle-destructive not only in terms of health but also in terms of the emptiness brought on by a life of promiscuity and by violation of nature's clear order for sexual relations. *Those of us, then, who accept this description of homosexuals as hurting people, and also accept the responsibility for helping them leave their lifestyle- while affirming their worth as persons- must: *Develop the personal relationships with the homosexuals necessary for such an undertaking, and *Compassionately but steadfastly resist the homosexual political agenda. April 1993-Published by the Minnesota Family Council, 2855 Anthony Lane South, Suite 150, Minneapolis, MN 55418-3265, (612) 789-8811. No restriction on reproduction if not taken out of context. Call or write for information on additional copies. BIBLIOGRAPHY (1) E. Rueda, The Homosexual Network(Greenwich, Conn.: Evin-Adair, 1982), pp.202-203 (2) J. McCary, Sexual Myths and Fallacies (New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold, 1071), P. 94 (3) C. Socarides, "Homosexuality: Basic Concepts and Psychodynamics, "Internation Journal of Psychiatry , Vol 10 (March 1972), P. 118 (4) W. Masters et al., Human Sexuality, 3rd ed. (Glenview, Ill.: Scott Foresman and co.,1988), p. 417 (5) Socarides, "Homosexuality," P.124 (6) J. Reisman and E. Eicherl, Kinsey, Sex and Fraud (Lafayett, La.: Huntingtoon House,1990); See also Masters et Al., Human Sexuality, p.31. (7) Reported in N. Meridith, "The Gay Dilemma, "Psychology Today, January 1984, p.56 (8) K. Jay and A. Young, The Gay Report (New Yourk: Summit, 1979), p. 275 These two homosexuals researchers used a volunteer sample of more than 4,000 homosexuals. (9) P. Cameron et Al., 4,340 adults randomly drawn from five major metropolitan areas were question in 1983 about their sexual lives. Results are reported in three articles: P. Cameron et al., "Sexual Orientation and Sexually Transmitted Disease, " Nebraska Medical Journal, Vol. 70 (1985), pp. 292-299. P. Cameron et. Al., "Child Molestation and Homosexuality, "Psychological Reports, Vol. 58 (1986), pp. 327-337. P. Cameron, et Al., "Effects Of Homosexuality upon Public Health and Social Order,"Psychological Reports, Vol 64 (1989), pp. 1167-1179. (10) P. Cameron, "Homosexual Molestation of Children/ Sexual Interaction of Teacher and pupil , Psychological Reports, Vvol. 57 (1985), pp. 1227-1236. Conclusions are drawn from a review of literature on child molestation over the past 75 years. (11) Cameron, "Homosexual Molestation," p. 1231; Cameron et al., "Child molestation," p. 333. Data summarized in Cameron et al., "Effects of Homosexuality," pp. 1176-1177, Which also includes data from a nationwide Los Angles Times poll. (12) Cameron et al., "Child Molestation," PP. 331-332. (13) See Jay and Young, Gay Report; M. Schechter et al., "Changes in Sexual Behavior and Fear of Aids, "Laancet, (June 9, 1984), p. 1293; H. Jaffe et al., " National Case-Control Study of Kaposi's Sacroma and pneumocytis Carinii Pneumonia in Homosexual Men: Part 1, Epidemiologic Results, "Annals of Internal Medicine, Vol 99 (1983), pp. 145-151 (14) Cameron et al., "Effect of Homosexuality," p. 1171. (15) Ibid., p. 1172. (16) Cameron et al., "Sexual Orientation, " p. 295. (17) P. Cameron, " Murder, Violence and Homosexuality," Institute For The Scientific Investigation of Sexuality (1987). (Order from Family Research Institute, P.O. Box 2091, Washington, D. C. 20013.) This percentage is drawn from a study on sexual mass murderers and from a journal article detailing the percentages of homosexual and heterosexual sexual murders over an eighteen-year period in one jurisdiction. (18) A. Karlen, Sexuality and Homosexuality (New York: Norton, 1971), quoted in Ref. 17 (19) "Coroner battles Sadomasochistic Injuries," Associated Press (March 12, 1981). (20) D. Ostrow et Al., eds., Sexually Transmitted Diseases in Homosexual Men (New York: Plenum Medical Book Co., 1982) p. 204. (21) K Leishman, "AIDS and Syphilis, " The Atalantic Monthly, January 1988, P. 38 (22) E. Rowe, Homosexual Politics (CLA, 1984),P. 17. (23) P. Buchanan and Muir, "Gay Times and Diseases," The American Spectator, August 1984, pp. 17-18. (24) J. Kassler, Gay Men's Health (New York: Harper and Row, 1983), P. 38 (25) Buchanan and Muier, "Gay Times." (26) Dr. B. Frank Polk, John Hopkins University, quoted in M. Fumento, "AIDS: Are Heterosexual at Risk?" Commentary, Vol. 84 (November 1987), pp. 22-23. (27) Ostrow et. al., "Hemorrhoids, anal Fissure, and Condylomata Acuminata, "Sexually Transmitted diseases in Homosexual Men, pp. 390-392 (28) G. Manligit et al., "Chronie Immune Stimulation by Sperm Alloantigens," Journal of the American Medical Association, Vol. 251 (1984), pp. 237-241; J. Richards et al., "Rectal Insemination Modifies Immune Responses in Rabbits," Science, Vol 224 (1984), pp. 390-392 (29) W. Smith and A. Smith, Christian in the Age of AIDS (Wheaton, Ill: Victor Books, 1990) (30) Religion, which is a protected status under the civil rights statutes, many be perceived to be chosen behavior, but is is explicitly protected by the first amendment. ******************************************************************* ==================================================================== From: Marilyn Burge To: C. J. Henshaw Oct-25-93 15:40:56 Subject: More Gay Stuff (William Childress, CONTROV) On (23 Oct 93) C. J. Henshaw wrote to All... I've been through this list before in other conferences, but for the sake of informing the participants here of how I feel, here goes: CJ> *"Federal encouragement and support for sex education courses, CJ> prepared and taught by Gay women and men, presenting CJ> homosexuality CJ> as a valid, healthy preference and life-style which is a CJ> viable alternative to heterosexuality." Asking sex ed teachers what their sexual orientation is is probably unconstitutional. There is no reason for the school district to know what the sexual orientation of teachers is. What they need to know is that the teacher is agreeable to teaching the curriculum vitae as laid out by the School Board. As for teaching that homosexuality is a valid lifestyle, I'm all for it. It has been determined by the American Psychological Association that it is not in any way aberrant or neurotic, and I agree. For those who prefer their own gender to the opposite one, it is a perfectly viable alternative. CJ> *"Repeal of all state laws prohibiting private sexual acts CJ> involving consenting persons; equalization for homosexuals CJ> and heterosexuals regarding the enforcement of all laws." I'm all for it. The sooner Uncle gets out of my bedroom, the better. It is none of the Government's business who I sleep with, or what I do once the lights are out. CJ> *"Repeal of all state laws prohibiting solicitation for CJ> private voluntary sexual liaisons; and laws prohibiting CJ> prostitution, both male and female." Again, I'm all for it. If I want to sell my body, it is mine to sell. Everybody sells their body, one way or another. Bartenders sell their arches and lower backs. Teachers sell their nervous systems. So prostitutes rent out their genitals for a few minutes. So what? CJ> *" Enactment of legislation so that child custody, adoption, CJ> visitation rights, foster parenting, and the like shall not CJ> be denied because of sexual orientation or marital status." Again, I agree. If somebody is a decent, loving person, there is no reason in the world why they shouldn't be eligible to take in foster children, adopt, or gain custody of their own children. CJ> *"Repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent." They are redundant anyway. Sex without consent, regardless of age, is a felong (rape). Since children below a certain age are mentally incapable of giving informed consent, and since many people above a certain age are mentally incapable of giving informed consent, why not make the issue what it really is: the ability to give informed consent? CJ> *"Repeal of all legislative provisions that restrict the sex CJ> or number of persons entering into a marriage unit; and the CJ> extension of legal benefits to all persons who cohabit CJ> regardless of sex or numbers." (1) I'm all for it. It is none of the State's business who I marry. Their only interest in the matter should be recordskeeping and tax collecting. Aside from that, it is none of their business. CJ> 2. The Homosexuals : Their Identity CJ> CJ> *Homosexuals claim to have been born with an innate, natural CJ> and undeniable desire for sexual contact with those of the CJ> same gender. And there is scientific evidence that tends to support this contention. CJ> *The reality, however, is that nobody is born homosexual. CJ> Modern research that purports to "prove" a genetic link has CJ> been both scientifically flawed and philosophical biased. Oh. And I suppose the above statement ISN'T philosophically biased? Dream on. CJ> *Dr. James McCary,, author of Sexual Myths and CJ> Fallacies; "Neither present day endocrinological CJ> tests nor microscopic or clinical examination CJ> have revealed any physiological differences CJ> between the heterosexual and homosexual CJ> individual." (2) I need some credentials, including the year he completed his training and in what field. What he says was probably considered to be true 20 years ago, but much has happened in the scientific community since. (I'll bet McCary is a fundy.) CJ> *Dr. Charles Socarides, Albert Einstein College: CJ> " Homosexuality, the choice of a partner for the same CJ> sex for orgiastic satisfaction, is not innate." (3) See above. CJ> *Masters and Johnson, sex therapists and researchers: CJ> "The genetic theory of homosexuality has been generally CJ> discarded today." (4) Masters and Johnson did their research prior to the latest findings. I wonder what they would say today. As an aside, it doesn't make any difference to me whether homosexuality is genetic or learned. Religious preference is learned, too, but nobody is suggesting we ought to make laws specifically excluding the religious from being able to choose their own mate, adopt children, etc. because of the choices they have made concerning the direction of their lives. CJ> *The most telling evidence, though, that homosexual drive is CJ> not undeniable is that thousands are leaving the homosexual CJ> lifestyle. Most require counseling and support group help CJ> but the change is clearly possible. I would be very surprised if these thousands aren't bisexuals who have been persuaded that it is easier to deny half of their nature rather than listen to the bullshit. There is probably a certain percentage of them who have publicly given up the lifestyle, but surreptitiously continued it in order to get out of the hot seat. CJ> *Dr. Socarides: "Psychotherapy appears to be CJ> unsuccessful in only a small number of patients of CJ> any age in whom a long habit is combined with... CJ> lack of desire to change." Bull. Would you be willing to give up the opposite sex because of societal pressure? I doubt it! CJ> propensity is not undeniable. It is similar in this regard CJ> to toward alcoholism, excessive anger or other destructive CJ> practices. CJ> CJ> *The conclusion of the matter is, then, that whatever the CJ> strength of the drives involved, homosexuality is a decision, CJ> not a destiny. So is religiosity. So give it up. That's not too much to ask. It is asking no more than you are asking of the homosexual. CJ> 3. The Homosexuals: Their origins: CJ> CJ> Dr. George Rekers, University of South Carolina: CJ> CJ> *Homosexuality stems from "difficulties in the parent-child CJ> relationship, especially in the earlier years of life. The CJ> homosexual has suffered from some deficit in the relationship CJ> with the parent of the same sex, and there is a corresponding CJ> drive to make good this deficit through the medium of CJ> same-sex or homosexual relationships." Dated and false. CJ> Dr. Elizabeth Moberly, Cambridge University: CJ> CJ> *The following factors frequently are present:*Abuse, either CJ> physical or sexual. (85-90% of lesbians have been victims of CJ> sexual abuse.) This is bull, but if it were true, you are using it to condemn the victim for the manifestations of the abuse. Would you condemn somebody with a broken leg for limping? CJ> *traumatic family upheaval at critical periods in the CJ> child's life. Bull. CJ> *Rebellion-need to defy authority (parents, society). More bull. CJ> *Opportunity to engage in homosexual behavior. We have ALL had opportunity to engage in homosexual behavior, but few of us are homosexual. This is bull. CJ> *The homosexual Lifestyle later becomes bondage. Bull. I know homosexuals who are far from in bondage. CJ> 4.The Homosexuals: Their Numbers CJ> CJ> *Based on Alfred Kinsey's famous but flawed 1948 report, it is CJ> frequently claimed that 10% of the population is homosexual. CJ> CJ> *Kinsey's research, however, has been discredited by CJ> revelations of researcher bias and non-representative CJ> sampling. (6) CJ> CJ> *The Correct Numbers are: CJ> CJ> *University of Chicago study: 1% Exclusively CJ> homosexual CJ> *National Center for Health Statistics: less than 3% CJ> homosexual or bisexual. CJ> CJ> *Dr. William Simon, (research associate with Kinsey CJ> Institute). 1% males mainly homosexual ( however he CJ> estimates realistically 2-3%).. So? I don't care if there is only one homosexual in the whole wide world. I am still obligated to treat that one person decently and with respect, just because (s)he is a part of the human race. CJ> 5. Homosexuals: Their Lifestyle CJ> CJ> Compared to heterosexuals, homosexuals are: CJ> CJ> *Much more promiscuous CJ> CJ> *A 1982 study by the US. Center for Disease Control CJ> 500 revealed that 50% of male homosexuals have had CJ> over different sexual partners; for AIDS victims, CJ> the average is 1,100. So? It is none of my business who goes to bed with whom, or how often. Mind your own business. CJ> *Much more pedophilic Bull. Most children who are molested are molested by HETEROSEXUALS! And pedlphilia is an altogether different thing than homosexuality. You are mixing apples and oranges in order to scare people. That's dishonest. CJ> CJ> *In one study, two homosexual researchers found that CJ> 73% of male homosexuals had sex as adults with boys CJ> nineteen or younger. (8) I'll bet you forgot to ask them how old they were when they had sex with these 17- and 18-year-olds, didn't you? CJ> *Much more abusive CJ> CJ> *Data from several studies suggest that, considering CJ> men and women together homosexuals are at least CJ> 8-12 times more likely to molest children than CJ> heterosexuals. (9 10 11) I'll bet people with brown eyes are more likely to shoplift, too. Why don't you single them out? CJ> Another set of data indicated that homosexual teachers are at CJ> least 5 times more likely to make sexual advances toward, and CJ> at least 7 times more likely to have sexual contact with, CJ> their students than their heterosexual counterparts. (12) Supposing we found out that blacks were 5 times more likely to shoplife than whites? Would that be ample reason to treat ALL blacks as though they were a crime waiting to happen? In our republic, we take pride in treating everybody as though they are innocent of any wrongdoing, until such time as they demonstrate on a personal level that it is time to treat them otherwise (i.e., innocent until proven guilty). CJ> *their sexual activity usually takes the form of oral and anal CJ> intercourse (i.e., sodomy) or mutual masturbation. So? None of your business how they go about expressing their sexuality. CJ> *In a national study of U.S. Sexual practices 9 (the results CJ> of which are parallel to other studies 13) the following data CJ> were collected for homosexual men. [Data for heterosexual CJ> men in brackets for comparison.] CJ> CJ> *93% report anal sexual relations [vs 36%]. (14) I don't believe that only 36 percent of hets have had anal intercourse. My guess is that very close to 100 percent of married men have at least tried it once with their wives. CJ> *92% report having engaged in oral-anal sexual CJ> activity, i.e. inserting the tongue into or licking CJ> the anus [vs 25%] (15) (71% more than once [vs. 20%] CJ> (16)). While rimming isn't my thing, it's also none of my business. What business is it of yours? If you don't like it, don't do it. CJ> [comparative stats regarding various rather interesting CJ> sexual practices deleted in the interest of brevity] People lie about their sexual proclivities for numerous reasons. Often, those on the edge of societal acceptance will exaggerate on the outre side for shock value, and those in the mainstream will exaggerate on the "normal" side because they are ashamed. Such admissions mean little, so far as statistical accuracy goes. CJ> *One researcher estimates that homosexuals are fifteen times CJ> more likely to commit murder than heterosexuals. (17) Police CJ> often assume gory murders to be homosexual until proven CJ> otherwise. (18) These are probably the same cops that see "satanic ritual killing" at every turn. CJ> *Approximately one out of ten homicides in San Francisco is CJ> due to sadomasochistic sex among homosexuals. (19) Now THERE'S a number that is meaningful (NOT!). San Fran is, after all, the homosexual capital of the Nation, and probably of the world. So what? CJ> 6.The Homosexuals; Their Health CJ> CJ> *Because of their use of the organs of excretion for orgasmic CJ> satisfaction and because of their high level of promiscuity CJ> (see Section 5), homosexuals open themselves up to a host of CJ> serious health problems. So let's do some research to make homosexual acts less risky. CJ> *Even before the AIDS crisis, male homosexuals were known to CJ> be a very unhealthy group. For example, a group of rare bowel CJ> diseases usually found only in the tropics became so common CJ> in the homosexual community that it was designated " gay bowel CJ> Syndrome." (20) So? I'll bet fundies suffer from more mental and emotional illness than nonbelievers do, too. Shall we outlaw fundy-ism? Court reporters suffer from more vascular problems than the population at large, too. So what? CJ> *Homosexuals account for half of the U. S. cases of CJ> syphilis,21 gonorrhea of the throat and intestinal CJ> infections. (22) So? Children account for 90 percent of the cases of mumps, too. So what? Are you suggesting we should outlaw childhood? CJ> *The infection rate for infectious hepatitis B is 20-50 times CJ> greater for homosexual males than for heterosexual males. 23 CJ> It is estimated that one-half to three-fourths of homosexual CJ> men have or have had this disease. (24) CJ> CJ> *Diseased homosexual food handlers in public restaurants were CJ> responsible for major outbreaks of amebiasis and hepatitis A CJ> infections in San Francisco and Minneapolis. (25) How come you're not telling us about the outbreaks that were caused by HETEROSEXUALS? It is because they shoot your theory all to hell? CJ> *AIDS in its early years in U. S. Was almost exclusively a CJ> male homosexual disease.(Sixty-five percent of U. S. AIDS CJ> cases- 87% in Minnesota-still occur in homosexual men.) The CJ> overwhelming risk factor for sexual transmission of the CJ> disease is receptive anal intercourse, (26) in which the CJ> rectum is frequently torn. (27) Even when the rectum is CJ> not torn, though, seamen can readily penetrate the rectal CJ> wall (the wall of the vagina cannot be so penetrated), CJ> enter the bloodstream and wreak havoc with the immune CJ> system. (28) An even more sure-fire way of getting the disease is through a blood transfusion. Why aren't you screaming about hemophiliacs? CJ> *The cost to society of dealing with these health risks is CJ> difficult to calculate. The annual medical costs of caring CJ> for AIDS patients alone is expected to increase from $5 CJ> billion to over $10 billion in 1993. (29) I don't generally put a price tag on compassion. . . . CJ> 7. The Homosexuals: Their strategy CJ> CJ> *Since the homosexual lifestyle revolved around the practice CJ> of sodomy (i.e., anal or oral intercourse), it is difficult for CJ> homosexuals to gain societal acceptance for their behavior CJ> where that practice is illegal. One of the first stratagems CJ> employed, therefore, is to try to have state sodomy laws CJ> repealed. Good idea! I vote for either doing that, or making it illegal to bend one's knees, whichever you prefer. . . . CJ> *Homosexuals argue that government has no business regulating CJ> what goes on in the bedroom. Laws against bestiality, rape, CJ> child sexual abuse, polygamy, incest and prostitution refute CJ> this assertion. No they don't. Those acts are consensual. CJ> *Another argument is that sodomy should be legalized because CJ> it is a "victim less crime." The lifestyle and health issues CJ> raised above, however (see sections 5 & 6), make it clear CJ> that the practice of sodomy has numerous victims. It carries CJ> an unacceptable price tag,not only for the individual CJ> homosexual and his partners, but for those who might be drawn CJ> into the lifestyle and the rest of society. It is not the Government's place to protect me from my own stupidity. If engaging in homosexual acts is a stupid idea, that is the homosexual's business. Sky-diving isn't too bright, either. Maybe we should outlaw that "for their own good." CJ> gender, national origin, etc. - protected by civil rights CJ> laws. In the process of arguing for these "gay rights" laws, CJ> they draw an analogy between their situation and that of CJ> African Americans before the civil rights movement. CJ> CJ> *The analogy, however, is not a good one. People of color CJ> cannot abandon their color the way many people are abandoning CJ> their homosexuality. I agree! This is the best argument I've seen for taking religious preference off the protected list: it, too, is voluntary and can be abandoned by the adherent at any time they so desire. CJ> *The main reason the analogy breaks down is that nearly all CJ> the classes traditionally protected by civil rights statutes CJ> share a common immutable trait or status which they did not CJ> choose, while homosexuals share a common behavior which they CJ> do choose. (30) There is no more logic to granting such CJ> protection to homosexuals then there would be to granting it CJ> to other behavior-based groups such as smokers, joggers, or CJ> homemakers. You chose your religion, too. Maybe we should take away YOUR protection uder civil rights legislation. . . . CJ> *What homosexuals are seeking then, is a special privilege--a CJ> protection of their particular behavior not available to CJ> otherss: the right to practice oral and anal sodomy with CJ> others of the same gender without having that lifestyle CJ> taken into account, even by people who find it immoral, CJ> unhealthy, undisciplined, enslaving, unwise and/or repugnant. I find fundyism to be unhealthy, undisciplined, enslaving, unwise, and/or repugnant, too. In a pluralistic society, them's the breaks. CJ> CJ> 8.The Homosexuals: Their Costs CJ> CJ> *Granting homosexuals the "rights" they seek means that other CJ> people will lose their rights. CJ> CJ> Parents and schools will lose their right to choose who will CJ> teach, supervise or serve as role models for their CJ> children. Property owners will lose their right to protect CJ> themselves, their property and their other tenants from CJ> undesirable influences. Unless they copulate on the lawn, a landlord won't know whether they are homosexual or not, and it's none of his business. He can check them out to make sure they don't damage property when they rent, pay their rent on time, and don't have loud parties. Other than that, their personal life is none of the landlord's business. CJ> Churches will lose their right to exclude staff whose CJ> practice violates their doctrine. Examples of such CJ> inequities abound. I notice you say that without citing even one case that we can verify. . . . CJ> *The big Brothers organization in Minneapolis was CJ> ordered to accept a homosexual for a role model CJ> relationship with a young boy without telling the CJ> boy's mother about his homosexuality. They were CJ> also ordered to pay legal costs and undertaken CJ> affirmative action solicitation in the homosexual CJ> media. An appeal to the state district reversed CJ> this finding, but did not reimburse court costs. If it was reversed in a higher court, it does not support your assertion. Since the case can be used as a precedent in other cases, whatever it cost the BBM was cheap, when prorated over all the other instances that won't go to court because of the precedent that was set. CJ> *In St. Paul, a Catholic priest was found to be in CJ> violation of that city's "gay rights" ordinance for CJ> refusing to hire a homosexual teacher who said he CJ> just wanted to teach young boys. The priest was CJ> narrowly saved from a possible $300 fine and 90 CJ> days in jail when the voters of the city overturned CJ> the ordinance. I wonder how long it'll be before the catch the same priest skizzling the altar boys in his study. . . . CJ> CJ> *Two young women in Madison, Wisconsin, who advertised CJ> for an additional roommate declined to rent to a lesbian CJ> who applied. They were ordered to pay a $1,500 fine, CJ> submit to reeducation courses taught by homosexuals, CJ> write a letter of apology and have their housing CJ> situations monitored for two years. Good! That beats hell out of having all the homosexuals skizzling under freeway overpasses because they can't find housing. CJ> (9) P. Cameron et Al., 4,340 adults randomly drawn from five major CJ> metropolitan areas were question in 1983 about their sexual CJ> lives. Results are reported in three articles: CJ> CJ> P. Cameron et al., "Sexual Orientation and Sexually Transmitted CJ> Disease, " Nebraska Medical Journal, Vol. 70 (1985), pp. 292-299. CJ> P. Cameron et. Al., "Child Molestation and Homosexuality, CJ> "Psychological Reports, Vol. 58 (1986), pp. 327-337. CJ> CJ> P. Cameron, et Al., "Effects Of Homosexuality upon Public CJ> Health and Social Order,"Psychological Reports, Vol 64 (1989), CJ> pp. 1167-1179. CJ> CJ> (10) P. Cameron, "Homosexual Molestation of Children/ Sexual CJ> Interaction of Teacher and pupil , Psychological Reports, Vvol. CJ> 57 CJ> (1985), pp. 1227-1236. Conclusions are drawn from a review of CJ> literature on child molestation over the past 75 years. CJ> CJ> (11) Cameron, "Homosexual Molestation," p. 1231; Cameron et al., CJ> "Child molestation," p. 333. Data summarized in Cameron et CJ> al., "Effects of Homosexuality," pp. 1176-1177, Which also CJ> includes data from a nationwide Los Angles Times poll. CJ> CJ> (12) Cameron et al., "Child Molestation," PP. 331-332. Please not the number of times Paul Cameron's name is used as a reference. This is important. P. Cameron was thrown out of the American Psychological Association several years ago because he cooked the books on the sex research numbers to make them appear to support his fundy agenda. He is as dishonest as the ICR crowd is, only in another area of human endeavor. His name was widely touted in the Measure 9 campaign here in Oregon, too. But fortunately, there were enough well-informed people throughout the state who were willing to stick their necks out to expose his lies for what they were. ... Psalm 137:9 Fun for the whole family. --- PPoint 1.65 * Origin: So What's Yer Point? (1:105/40.3)

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