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Xref: info.physics.utoronto.ca news.answers:30053 sci.answers:1637 sci.cryonics:1794 Path: cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!tsf From: tsf+@cs.cmu.edu (Timothy Freeman) Newsgroups: sci.cryonics,news.answers,sci.answers Subject: Cryonics FAQ 6: Suspension Arrangements Supersedes: Followup-To: sci.cryonics Date: 1 Oct 1994 07:02:29 GMT Organization: Carnegie-Mellon University, School of Computer Science Lines: 260 Approved: news-answers-request@MIT.Edu Expires: 14 Nov 1994 07:01:42 GMT Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pop.cs.cmu.edu Summary: This posting contains a list of Frequently Asked Questions and their answers about cryonics, the practice of carefully preserving very recently clinically and legally dead people in hopes that they can be revived in the future. It should be read by anyone interested in posting to sci.cryonics and by anyone who finds the prospect of certain death irritating. Archive-name: cryonics-faq/part6 Cryonics Frequently Asked Question List Section 6: Suspension Arrangements Last Modified Thu Jun 2 13:55:40 1994 (You can fetch cryomsg "n" by sending mail to kqb@whscad1.att.com or to kevin.q.brown@att.com with the subject line "CRYOMSG n". There is more about this in the answer to question 8-2. The index to this FAQ list is cryomsg "0018.1". ) Copyright 1993 by Tim Freeman. See the end of Section 1 for restrictions on redistribution. 6-1. How many people are frozen right now? The July 1992 issue of Cryonics magazine, published by the Alcor Life Extension Foundation, includes a status report of all the approximately 60 people who have been cryonically suspended. Over 40 of these are still in suspension today; the remainder have been thawed and buried because their cryonics organization failed financially. According to Mike Perry's July 1992 Cryonics magazine summary of all known cryonic suspension patients, nobody suspended since 1978 has been thawed out, with one possible exception of a private suspension done in 1982 for which he has no further information. 6-2. How is suspension paid for? The person who makes the cryonics arrangements pays for suspension, usually with life insurance. Some life insurance companies refuse to accept a cryonics organization as the beneficiary. Check with your insurance agent, or check with a cryonics organization for a list of cooperative companies. 6-3. How will reanimation be paid for? The cryonics organization, relatives, or some charity will pay for reanimation if it happens. There is also the Reanimation Foundation, which is an attempt to allow people to fund their own revival. See also the answer to question 6-11. 6-4. What suspension organizations are available? For a complete list of cryonics suspension organizations and other cryonics-related organizations and publications, fetch cryomsg 0004. This text from cryomsg 0004 describes the largest cryonic suspension organizations: Alcor is not only a membership and caretaking organization but also does the cryonic suspensions, using Alcor employees, contract surgeons, and volunteers plus equipment and supplies provided by Cryovita. Alcor Life Extension Foundation 7895 East Acoma Dr., Suite 110 Scottsdale, AZ 85260 Before March 1, 1994: (909) 736-1703 & (800) 367-2228 FAX (909) 736-6917 After March 1, 1994: (602) 922-9013 & (800) 367-2228 FAX (602) 922-9027 Email: info@alcor.org Cryonics magazine, monthly, $25./yr. USA, $35./yr. Canada & Mexico, $40./yr. overseas ($10./yr. USA gift subscription for new subscriber) The American Cryonics Society is the membership organization and the suspensions and caretaking are done by Trans Time. American Cryonics Society (ACS) P.O. Box 761 Cupertino, CA 95015 (408) 734-4111 FAX (408) 973-1046, 24 hr FAX (408) 255-5433 Email: cryonics@netcom.com Supporting membership, including American Cryonics and American Cryonics News $35./yr. USA, $40. Canada & Mexico, $71. overseas (Note: The Immortalist (below) includes American Cryonics News.) CryoCare is a new organization (actually a group of organizations) incorporated in late 1993 and opening for business in 1994. The people creating it have been top cryonics supporters and researchers for many years. CryoCare Foundation 10627 Youngworth Road Culver City, CA 90230 (800) 867-2273 (800-TOP-CARE) Email: cryonews@phantom.com for both general information about CryoCare and also back issues of CryoCare Report The Cryonics Institute does its own suspension and caretaking of patients. Cryonics Institute (CI) 24443 Roanoke Oak Park, MI 48237 (313) 547-2316 & (313) 548-9549 The Immortalist Society, which has the same address and phone number, publishes The Immortalist, monthly, $25./yr. USA, $30./yr. Canada and Mexico, $40./yr. overseas. Airmail $52. Europe, $62. Asia or Australia. A gift subscription ($15./yr. USA, $25. outside USA) includes a free book (The Prospect of Immortality or Man Into Superman). The International Cryonics Foundation has arrangements with Trans Time to do the cryonics suspensions and caretaking of patients. International Cryonics Foundation 1430 N. El Dorado Stockton, CA 95202 (209) 463-0429 (800) 524-4456 Trans Time does suspensions and caretaking for both ACS and ICF and also has taken on suspension customers directly who didn't go through either non-profit organization. Trans Time, Inc. 10208 Pearmain St. Oakland, CA 94603 510-639-1955 Email: quaife@math.berkeley.edu 6-5. How can I get financial statements for the various organizations to evaluate their stability? At this point the best option is to send them paper mail or call them and ask. I would like to eventually get current financial statements from all of them on-line. 6-6. How hard will these people work to freeze me? The Dora Kent case described above is an example. See question 4-3. 6-7. What obligations do the suspension organizations have to the people they have suspended? Will they pay for revival and rehabilitation? Alcor's Consent for Cryonic Suspension states "there are no guarantees that any attempt will ever be made to return me to healthy life". The Cryonic Suspension Agreement states "Alcor shall use such methods as its good faith judgement determines will be most likely to result in preservation and revival of the patient." Reference: Alcor's book "Signing Up Made Simple", 1987, pages 45 and 55. 6-8. How long has this been going on? Robert Ettinger proposed the idea in The Prospect of Immortality which was published in 1964. According to the July 1992 issue of Cryonics magazine, the first person suspended was Dr. James Bedford. He was frozen on 12 Jan. 1967 at the age of 73 by the Cryonics Society of California and is now with Alcor. Bedford has never thawed during that time. When he was moved to another dewar in 1991 (?) the original ice cubes were still intact and several other signs indicated that he had never thawed out. 6-9. How much of the resources of the cryonics organizations are reserved for reviving patients? Alcor's approach to this is discussed in detail in CRFT page A-36. They compute the costs of liquid nitrogen, dewar maintenance, rent, etc., per year. The amount of the trust fund for each patient is twice the amount necessary to pay for this indefinitely assuming a 2% return on investment after inflation. The doubling mentioned in the previous sentence is to provide a margin for error and funds for revival. Assuming that the costs of storage do not change, and a 2% return on investment, and the most efficient storage for a neurosuspension patient, the value of the fund in 1991 dollars y years after suspension is $3300 + ($3300 * (1.02 ^ y)) The corresponding figures for the least efficient storage for a whole-body patient are $84357 + ($84357 * (1.02 ^ y)) Alcor's minimum fee for suspension and storage does not depend on how they are going to do the storage, so it isn't clear to me how the numbers derived in CRFT page A-36 should compare to Alcor's suspension minimums. 6-10. How can uncooperative relatives derail suspensions? Someone confronted with the death of a close relative is likely to do everything possible to postpone or prevent it, even after there is clearly no hope of the potential suspendee ever regaining consciousness. This leads naturally to continuing hospital life support in marginal circumstances, which can lead to months of brain ischemia before the suspension happens. Also, cancers tend to metastasize, and given enough time and enough life support, they are likely to metastasize to the brain and consume much of it. By the time suspension happens, there may not be much to suspend. It is important for your relatives to understand what is going to happen. In particular, if you have arranged for neurosuspension, you don't want your relatives to do something surprising when they figure out that the people from your cryonics organization are at some point going to surgically remove your head. 6-11. How should I deal with relatives who will not cooperate with my suspension arrangements? Use a Durable Power of Attorney for Health Care to prevent uncooperative relatives from derailing any cryonics arrangements you make. The idea is to make sure that the person making decisions about your health cooperate with your desire to be suspended. At one time, Alcor published a list of people willing to accept the power of attorney; I do not know whether they still do this. Steve Bridge, president of Alcor, has fairly much experience dealing with relatives of suspendees. He describes some of this in CRYOMSG 2203.1. 6-12. What if my spouse does not approve of my suspension arrangements? The legal maneuvers described in Question 6-11 apply here as well. Assuming you would rather persuade your spouse instead of simply putting up a good legal defense, it may help to let your spouse meet other people interested in cryonics. Steve Bridge talked about this in CRYOMSG 369. 6-13. What practical things can I do to increase my chances of being suspended well? Since no existing cryonics organization has the resources to establish relationships with coroners, morticians, and physicians near each of their members, some of this work becomes responsibility of the members. Also, there are useful, simple things that can be done locally before the suspension team arives. Cryomsg 0026 has much to say about this. 6-14. How can I pay for my own revival and rehabilitation, and keep some of my financial assets after revival? The Reanimation Foundation is set up to enable you to "take it with you" and provide financial support for your reanimation, reeducation, and reentry. It is based in Liechtenstein, which does not have a Rule Against Perpetuities, and thus allows financial assets to be owned by a person long after the person is declared legally dead. Reanimation Foundation c/o Saul Kent 16280 Whispering Spur Riverside, CA 92504 (800) 841-LIFE 6-15. Is Walt Disney frozen? No. There was a time when all of the cryonics organizations would tell you this. Since then Alcor (possibly among others) has realized that if they admit when an individual is not frozen, then it is possible to infer by elimination who is frozen, which they have in many cases agreed to keep secret. Thus Alcor will no longer say anything informative about whether Disney was frozen. Nevertheless, Disney is not frozen.


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