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They sat in Jim's old apartment, Jim and Charles, drinking whiskey, smoking cigarettes and talking about things that people usually talk about when they are having a terrible hangover. They had finished the sport and the political section of their topics which as usual led them to the meaning of life. It was sunday and a day for tired people. A day when people who are trying to cure a terrible hangover talks about absolutely nothing of value. Jim took a sip of his whiskey directly out of the bottle. - I guess there is nothing more in life than eating, drinking and failure nowadays, he said and froze the moment after when he realized that he knew what Charles was about to say. Jim knew and he hated it. As soon as he mentioned something about life, Charles would begin talking about determinism. - As long as we cannot come up with any arguments why life wouldn't be causal and mechanical, I think we just have to accept other thoughts about our present situation. - I knew you were going to say something like that! Charles bent forward and tried to reach the whiskey bottle. But Jim was faster and took it away. - Listen, Jim said annoyed, we have had this discussion ten times earlier so why do you bring it up once again? - Give me the bottle. Then let us talk about it for the eleventh time. The strong liquid ran down their throats and they prepared for another verbal war in Jim's old apartment. Charles spoke. - The world is mechanical and deterministic. Whatever you do, you are forced to it. Spinoza was right when he said that the world is one substance and not several, but he was wrong when he claimed that this substance was "god". The world is one substance, from the atomic view. If I drink whiskey, I never do it out of free will. The act of grabbing the bottle, take it to my mouth and swallow the liquid is predictable - if we manage to analyze the causal mechanism. Look at it this way; I take the bottle because I am thirsty. Why did I get thirsty? Because I ate food. Why did I ate food? Because I was hungry. Why did I choose that special dinner to eat? Because I have heard that it is tasty. Do you understand? We never do anything out of completely free will. We are only bricks in an enormous causal play. Of course, we believe that we do it out of free will, but in reality we do not. Jim spoke. - You may be right. But your thoughts require more facts. Why, for example, would everything be mechanical and causal? Is there any special reason? No, at this moment you fail. You cannot present any good reason why it should be like this. Everything has an reason, and it is this reason we must find. If the reason is unavailable, we would never bother to look for it. But we still try, and that makes a causal world wrong. If we can predict acts, we can change acts. When we change acts, we change your predictable world. Hence: The world cannot be completely causal. Charles spoke. - There may be a reason which we will never be aware of. Think of the world as a part of a computer game. In this game, we are pre-programmed to do certain acts without the knowledge of why. Our acts are logical to the situation, therefor we do not question them. They fit so good into our world, so we believe that we do them with free will. Jim spoke. - That sounds better. But this sounds like luxury topics. If we never can understand or see that we are in a game, why talk about it? The only result we will get to is that everything is without meaning. If we are only pixels in a game, why should we bother to educate us, work and try to find a meaning in our lives? Your cold scientific view does nothing good to the human race. It only creates frustration and confusion. Charles spoke. - That does not matter. Let me try to explain through an fictitious example. Imagine that this world is not externally created. The... let us call him the "global programmer" works from within our world. He sits somewhere on our planet, with a computer and creates the world around him. He can see everything, he can do everything. He is God. In the real world, he cannot do much. But from his computer he can change things. He is not "someone up there", he is here and we can find him. He only creates people and material, but it is up to his creations to do whatever they want. Then our world would not be causal and predictable in one sense, but in another way it would be. Jim spoke. - I do not follow you. How can the world be causal and predictable and at the same moment not? Charles spoke. - Well, the "global programmer" does not himself create the beginning and the end. He just creates material, substance. He does not create a predictable substance, but the substance in itself is predictable, if we can analyze its causal mechanism. Jim spoke. - Sounds weird. A short moment of silence told them that the discussion was over. The afternoon was getting late. Charles broke the silence. - My clock screams that the bar has opened downtown. Why not get there and see if we find our "global programmer"? Jim chuckled. - Yeah. Let's go and make the town stand on its head! Charles put down the bottle and they both went to the front door. But no one ever opened it and stepped out. The global programmer took a deep breath of relief. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Work. Zwei vier zwei. Get that out of my way! Now! Call THE STASH! 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