To : ARTHUR BIELE Subj: Gould ARTHUR BIELE to MARTIN GOLDBERG on 090594 14:37 re: TRANSITI

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From: LARRY SITES Posted: 8 Sep 94 22:36 To : ARTHUR BIELE Subj: Gould ARTHUR BIELE to MARTIN GOLDBERG on 09-05-94 14:37 re: TRANSITIONALS, PART 6. AB>"All paleontologists know that the fossil record contains precious AB> little in the way of intermediate forms; Transitions between major AB> groups are characteristically abrupt." Stephen J. Gould, 'Return of AB> the Hopeful Monster' Natural History, Vol. 86, 1977, p. 22) AB>"The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record AB> persist as the trade secret of paleontology. The evolutionary trees AB> that adorn our textbooks have data only at the tips and nodes of AB> their branches, the rest is inference, however reasonable, not the AB> evidence of fossils." Stephen J. Gould, 'Evolutions Erratic Pace' AB> Natural History. So? What do you think his point was? You have read him in the original haven't you? If not, why are you plagerizing by not giving proper credit for the research work done by your REAL source? Isn't that the same a breaking the commandment against stealing? You're not the first. See below: Message # 8543 Area : 148 SCIENCE From : Phil Nicholls 03-28-93 12:47 To : Mark Arvid Johnson Subj : Evolution v. Evolution >Why is it no one assails Steven J. Gould, leading Harvard evolutionist >when he says > > "The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record > persists as the trade secret of paleontology. The evolutionary trees > that adorn our our textbooks have data only at the tips or nodes of > their branches; the rest is inference, however reasonable, not the > evidence of the fossils. All paleontologists know that the fossil > record contains precious little in the way of intermediate forms; > transitions between major are characteristically abrupt" _The Panda's Thumb_ >Why is it that no one questions the scientific stature of Dr. Gould, >when creationists who have been saying the SAME thing are labeled >`quacks' and `psuedoscientists' or even `not real scientists?' Because anyone who has actually bothered to read Gould's work (and apparently you are not included in that group) knows that Gould is talking about transtions linking one species to another. Where Gould says these are rare, creationists claim they are non-existent. You might consider the following quote: " Since we proposed punctuated equilibria to explain trends, it is infuriating to be quoted again and again by creationists -- whether through design or stupidity, I do not know -- as admitting that the fossil record contains no transitional forms. The punctuations occur at the level of speices; directional trends (on the staircase model) are rife at the higher level of transtions within major groups." From _Evolution as Fact and Theory_, Discover, May, 1981. It seems that Gould has given you two choices. Either you are purposely misrepresenting his ideas OR you are too stupid to bother reading his original work, relying instead on handy quotes from creationist literature. Either way, your credibility is cooked. Have a nice day. Phil Nicholls Anthropologist to the Masses

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