I must preface this by saying that as of now I cannot reply directly via posting which may

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From: jgacker@neptune.gsfc.nasa.gov (James G. Acker) Message-ID: <9302042022.AA29836@neptune.gsfc.nasa.gov> I must preface this by saying that as of now I cannot reply directly via posting -- which may be repaired soon. But I had to state my own position: or rather, the Bible's position. I wish more fundamentalists would read it, rather than having it preached to them. Verses to ponder: Romans 1:20 (NIV) "For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities -- his eternal power and divine nature -- have been clearly seen, being _understood_ from what has been made, so that men are without excuse." My interpretation/relevance to t.o.: Reaching understanding from "what has been made" implies that by looking at/researching/comprehending God's creation, we gain a sense of God's "invisible" qualities. Is there a contradiction between "invisible" and "clearly seen"? Not if the clear sight lies within ourselves, i.e. comprehension. The physical laws we can formulate may indicate (to those with faith) a divine hand. I Timothy 4:1-2 "The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron." Sounds like the ICR to me. See below. And of course, Hebrews 11: 1-3. (Capitals mine) "Now FAITH is being sure of what we hope for and CERTAIN of what we do not see. This is what the ancients were commended for. By FAITH we UNDERSTAND that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible." In a nutshell, I can read this statement to boldly say that *any* aspect of God's hand in creation cannot be proven by science! ONLY ONLY ONLY "by faith" do we gain understanding that the universe is God's creation. Not through any scientific investigation we undertake, or any scientific evidence we might hope to glean! Furthermore, in the instance of "miraculous" healings (which has been raised many times) -- believers are *certain* that God has acted, even though His action cannot be "proven", for it is "what we do not see". Through faith. Alone. A certainty that God has acted is also possible regarding many non-miraculous healings, as well. For you Christians out there, fundamentalist or otherwise, Creationist or otherwise, is this so hard to understand? Does not the entire Institute of Creation Research agenda stand as BLASPHEMOUS in light of these verses -- for it is clear that in seeking "evidence" of God's hand in creation, they are NOT certain of that which they cannot see? And for those others who claim that they can meet and commune with God through the course of an ecstatic experience, that too stands in contradiction of these verses. For you are not SURE of what you hope for, and thus need a constant repetition of a mantra which supposedly represents God to put yourself in a state of hypnotic servitude and conviction. Which isn't necessary for a Christian. Convince yourself _once_, and have faith. And you'll be certain of God's hand in creation -- even though it has never been, cannot be, and will never be proven. James 2:19 "You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that -- and shudder." (I thought of this verse while watching "Leap of Faith".) This too: 2 Peter 2:1-3 "But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce _destructive heresies_, even denying the sovereign Lord who brought them -- bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways _and will bring the way of truth into disrepute_. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with _stories they have made up_. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping." I would relish the chance to go to an ICR presentation and throw this set of verses in their teeth. For all that the ICR does is make up stories. Which, as many have noted, clearly brings "the way of truth into disrepute." Davis Young, a Christian geologist who frequently refutes the ICR twaddle, has said so more eloquently, and I bow to his superior understanding. My own opinions -- not CWACK or anybody else. DR. James Acker (FYI -- not that I care about the title, except for the misinformed) jgacker@neptune.gsfc.nasa.gov

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