Subject: Re: Creation + Evolution (1/5) Date: 30 May 90 01:47:06 GMT In article <900529299

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From: loren@tristan.llnl.gov (Loren Petrich) Subject: Re: Creation & Evolution (1/5) Date: 30 May 90 01:47:06 GMT In article <9005292999.AA01568@decpa.pa.dec.com> hakim@bigq.enet.DEC.COM writes: >Loren Petrich writes: > >> Glad you admit the plagiarism. (Aristotle -> Bahai taxonomy) > >Often scientists use an already established scientific theory, to advance a >newer theory. Would you consider this act as plagiarism? It's plagiarism only if one doesn't acknowledge the source. >The Persian/Arab histories make it quite clear that Socrates had traveled to >the Holy land and met some of the most illustrious Jewish scholars and the >disciples of Solomon. Having met them, Socrates learned of the concept of God >and human spirit and its survival after death. Upon his return, he preached >this concept among his people and they rejected and ridiculed him and finally >he was condemned and forced to drink from a poisoned cup. Eventhough Socrates >was not Jewish, yet, his attempt to teach 'a Jewish concept' to the people of >Greece was considered to be blasphemous act and in direct opposition to the >norms and beliefs of that culture, thus, rejectable. That is an amusing rewrite of history. The Greeks had plenty of ideas of God/gods and life after death. The Homeric conception was of a dreary underworld, Hades, where just about everyone goes. The Orphics taught that we are reincarnated, and that we must attempt to free our souls from our bodies. As Bertrand Russell remarks, Socrates was the perfect Orphic saint, so he had plenty of exposure to ideas of the next world. Indeed, at his trial, he talked about how he would live among creative people like Homer and Hesiod and Orpheus and Musaeus. As to his "God", it seems like either (1) some sort of spirit guide or (2) a metaphor for his conscience. One should not read too much into other people's beliefs. Why did he get in trouble? He was an aristocrat-minded admirer of Sparta; and the democratically minded Athenians eventually decided that they had had enough of him. Not that I appreciate death sentences for unpopular ideas... (on how Socrates got his ideas from the Jews...) >1- The History of Abu'l-Fadda. > >2- The book of (Melal va Nehal) which translates to Nations and Religions. This > book was written by Shahrestani. These "sources" lived centuries after Socrates did. That strikes me as a strange kind of historical scholarship. I consider sources near his place and time, such as Xenophon and Plato, much more trustworthy. Check out Bertrand Russell's _A History of Western Philosophy_ for a good discussion of the Socrates question. One thing is for sure -- neither of these two contemporaries of his mention any travels abroad. > ...I discussed the Jewish >Scripture as a side note to advance the idea that the concept of ANIMAL SPIRIT, >and HUMAN SPIRIT had been adapted from the Jewish Scripture, and are not purely >a product of Aristotle's own imagination, which you appear to have ignored >completely. That does not seem very apparent from the Old Testament, at least to me. ^ Loren Petrich, the Master Blaster \ ^ / loren@sunlight.llnl.gov \ ^ / One may need to route through any of: \^/ <<<<<<<<+>>>>>>>> lll-lcc.llnl.gov /v\ lll-crg.llnl.gov / v \ star.stanford.edu / v \ v For example, use: loren%sunlight.llnl.gov@star.stanford.edu "I'm supposed to keep my mouth shut" -- Madonna

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