reverent (a.) feeling or showing reverence. reverence (n.) revering or being revered; deep

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reverent (a.) feeling or showing reverence. reverence (n.) revering or being revered; deep respect. revere (v.t.) regard with deep and affectionate or religious respect. respect (n.) deferential esteem. (v.) treat or regard with deference, esteem or honour. Treat with consideration, spare. Where the HECK does this bring in the requirement that "reverence" MUST have something to do with being a theist? Being "reverent" has nothing to do with believing in any god. It has everything to do with being respectful. Both theists and atheists can be respectful. The more I learn about how the BSA treats Scouting, the more I wonder about the political agendas of the people running your outfit. In Canada, Scouting is for kids. *Any* kid. From what I've seen in this newsgroup so far, in the U.S., it seems Scouting is only for kids who meet the political agenda of a particular ethno/religious group If they don't fit the propaganda, they don't get to stay in Scouting. Sad. With you in Scouting, scout leader 123rd Ottawa ==================================================================== From: Jaana A Antikainen To: All Msg #71, Dec-13-93 11:44AM Subject: Re: Boy Scouts vs Atheists & Unitarians Organization: University of Helsinki From: jantikai@kruuna.Helsinki.FI (Jaana A Antikainen) Message-ID: <2eigmg$3vd@kruuna.helsinki.fi> Followup-To: rec.scouting,alt.atheism Newsgroups: rec.scouting,alt.atheism As a Finn, I do not know too much about scouting in USA or other countries. However, when I was eleven years old and learning what scouting (including the oath and the ideals, which are the Finnish equivalent for the scout law), I was taught that Scouting is an international movement, which is OPEN FOR EVERYONE, in spite of there religion, colour of skin or other things like that. Now I have noticed that this is not true. And that makes me sad. Also, I have always thought, that things like tolerance for differences between people and good will towards every one are very important in being a scout. From this point of wiew, I consider the ideals "to respect other people" and "to build friendship across all borders" (I suppose that there is something like that in the scout laws of every country) to be enough to stop us from judging our fellow scouts by their sexuality or religion (or the lack of that) or by any other things as trivial. After all, these things do not prevent them from acting like a scout: being honest and helpful and loyal, useful citizens of their countries. Isn't this what scouting is about, not religion? "Vapahtaja, tee minusta rauhasi valikappale" "Saviour, make me an instrument of Thy peace" Yours in scouting, -- Jaana Antikainen "All that is gold does not glitter, Paraistentie 15 A 7 not all those who wander are lost." 00280 Helsinki -J.R.R.Tolkien FINLAND ====================================================================== From: James R Holman To: All Msg #88, Dec-13-93 01:35PM Subject: Re: Boy Scouts vs Atheists & Unitarians Organization: The Ohio State University From: jrholman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Holman) Message-ID: <2ein64$97b@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Newsgroups: rec.scouting,alt.atheism We are a liberal religious group of congregational polity which does not require subscription to a creed as a criterion of membership. We do have a statement of Purposes and Principles which affirms the inherent dignity and worth of all persons. Although there ARE atheist UU's, it is no more correct to associate UU's with atheism than with theism, christianity, or any other doctrinal group. BSA's stand on the Declaration of Religious Principle and on the prohibition of homosexual scouts and leaders has caused a great deal of controversy in the UU denomination (remember the "inherent dignity and worth of all persons"?). Consequently, few congregations are chartering organizations for scout units on the basis that either a scout or leader from the chartering organization would be excluded on the basis of the DRP or homosexual issue. We DO participate in the Religious Emblem program justified by the BSA's clarification of the DRP, particularly the point that the BSA does NOT define what is meant by God or duty to God. Nor does BSA require membership in any organized religion and recognizes the right of the individual to practice his/her religion as they see fit. It IS unfortunate that there are well meaning strong willed people who cannot accomodate their own religious stand with the DRP, but we must respect their decision. In many ways this is more admirable than mouthing the words without the meaning. Jim Holman Scoutmaster Troop 78 and UU of long standing.

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