Subject: Re: Atheists' ethics, if any djoslin@BBN.COM (David Joslin) wrote : > Just give m

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From: gary@cgdco2.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) Subject: Re: Atheists' ethics, if any djoslin@BBN.COM (David Joslin) wrote : > Just give me *your* complete derivation. We can do it step-by-step if you > like. I'll agree that "existence exists." What comes next? Given that something must have grasped the concept of 'existence exists', we can immediately say that that something is a consciousness. One must be conscious in order to even begin conceptualization. We now have a conscious entity. We can then say that this entity is alive, because I am aware of no entity (God excluded) that is conscious but not alive. This conscious entity, being alive, will realize quite quickly that its life is conditional, that is, there are actions it must take in order to remain alive, and there are actions it must not take in order to avoid death. In other words, the living entity needs ethics. Now, the determination of which actions are beneficial to its life and those which are detrimental to its life must take into account the facts of reality. This methodology is by definition rational. So, now we are at the point of a living entity that is using rationality to determine its ethical system. I'll pause here to let Dave comment on what I have written. -- Gary $trand Judge, and be prepared to be judged. strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu "I'm the NRA"

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