To: Steve Bedard Oct-18-93 13:20:06 Subject: Historicity Of

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From: Simon Ewins To: Steve Bedard Oct-18-93 13:20:06 Subject: Historicity Of Jesus Quoth Steve Bedard thusly: SB> There is historical evidence that Jesus existed. You refuse to accept SB> the evidence that exists because you do not want to believe. If the SB> evidence that exists was for any other historical figure, there would SB> be no doubt as to that persons existence. The following is gleaned from the list of books and reference materials included at the end of this message. Anyone who studies the items in that list and is not being willfully blind will be forced to the following conclusions or a variant thereof. Jewish Pharisaic Traditions Mystic Cults John the Baptist --------------------------- ------------ ---------------- | | | +----------------------+----------------+ | Jesus ----- Jesus was a Jew of considerable intellect and education. Due to influences from Mystic Cult beliefs and probably 10-12 years of tutelage as one of the followers of his cousin, John the Baptist, he gained a certain understanding of and skill at healing techniques. He was very charismatic and extremely inscrutable. He believed that he was the Messiah (that is: destined to be King with the help and intervention of Yahweh or Eloi). He expected that Yahweh would reveal the new Israel to one and all in a miracle to be displayed at the Mount of Olives during that fateful Passover that resulted in his crucifixion. Little more can be said of him with any degree of certainty. Jesus ----- | Bright ---+------ Pious ----- Zealots ------------ Common Mystics Jews Revolutionaries People These were the main groups that comprised Jesus' followers. The Bright Mystics created such works as the Gospel of Thomas and virtually all of the non-canonical and gnostic writings. These were the ones who understood most of the more obscure things that Jesus believed and taught. The Pious Jews were those such as James and Peter who went on to write or influence the Gospel of the Ebionites and other Ebionite writings. The Zealots and other military revolutionaries shifted their allegiance to later leaders ultimately resulting in the violent uprisings circa 70 CE when the Jerusalem temple was destroyed. The Common People simply were absorbed into one of the other sects and cults available or returned to traditional Judaism. Apostles Jesus Gentiles Mystic Cults Attis Adonis -------- ----- -------- ------------ Mithra Osiris | | | | Baal-Taraz | | | | ------------- | | | | | +--------+--------+------------+---------------+ | Paul ---- Paul was born a gentile in a town that was not only heavily influenced by Mystic Cults and the gods indicated above but was actual named after one of these gods (Baal-Taraz => Tarsus). Also found in Tarsus were Jews who were called 'God-fearing' because they accepted the teachings of Judaism but were unwilling to be circumcised or adopt all of the food laws of Judaism. Paul was either born to 'God-fearing' parents or he converted as a young man and headed for Jerusalem to study with a view to becoming a Pharisee (the most highly respected Jewish philosophers). His early childhood influences included much exposure to the pagan gods and Mystic Cults that were so prevalent in Tarsus. Having failed to make the grade as a Pharisee (he was bright but lacked the logic ability required, as demonstrated by his often muddled theology especially in Romans) he become one of the High Priest's hired thugs (the High Priest being a Sadducee appointed by Rome). After the death of Jesus he was sent to kidnap some of Jesus' followers who had fled to Damascus and return them to the High Priest for punishment. Investigating these followers of Jesus, Paul saw a lot in the idea of a resurrection that was in common with the myths that he had grown up with. Having failed to reach his goal of becoming a Pharisee and having been reduced to the role of a thug for a quisling Roman collaborator, Paul cracked and experienced a breakdown of some sort which left him with the basis of the ideas that became Christianity. He dressed up Jesus in the clothes of Attis, Adonis, Mithra, Osiris and Baal-Taraz added his own imagined divinity to this and set out to finally become the important man that his ego required of him and that had brought him to Jerusalem to begin with. To accept as truth what the gospels (which were written after Paul's letters and were designed to support his ideas) say about Jesus, is to accept as truth what Goebbels says about Hitler. To accept as truth what Paul says about himself as supported by what the author of Acts says about Paul, is to accept what Hitler says about himself as supported by what Goebbels says about Hitler as truth. To find the truth you have to investigate sources other than those written by Hitler himself or one of his admirers. Same with Paul, or Jesus. The analogy to Hitler is not an incidental one. The most despicable human beings that have ever lived must surely be Paul (as the instigator) and the writers of the gospels and Acts. These men started a trend in anti-semitic thinking that has discoloured history for 1,900 years and culminated in the torture and extermination of millions of Jews during the second world war. Christianity has nothing to be proud of. Any good that it may have done has been completely offset by the perpetuation of racial and religious hatred that it has fostered and encouraged. Jesus was, indeed, an historical figure. He was not, however, that which the lies, that you have read and been brought up with, present him to be. KJV, NIV, NRSV and Greek NT. "The Other Bible" "The Eden Bible" The Other Gospels" - R. Cameron "The Mythmaker: Paul and the Invention of Christianity" - Hyam Maccoby "Jesus" - A. N. Wilson "The Historical Jesus" - J. D. Crossan "The Pharisees" - Leo Baeck "The Death of Jesus" - Joel Carmichael "Soteriology and Mystic Aspects" - G. S. Gasparro "Antisemitism and the Foundations of Christianity" - A. T. Davies "The Messiah Jesus and John the Baptist" - Robert Eisler "Paul and Rabbinic Judaism" - W. D. Davies "The Grounds of Christianity" - George English "Jesus" - D. Flusser "Jesus and the Zealots" - S. G. F. Brandon "Gnosis" - Rudolph Bultmann "Jesus and the Word" - Rudolph Bultmann "The Gnostic Paul" - Elaine Pagels "A History of Messianic Speculation in Israel" - A. H. Silver "The Jesus of the Early Christians" - G. A. Wells "The Theology of St Paul" - D. Whiteley "Tarsus and Jerusalem" - W. C. Unnik "Jesus the Jew" - Geza Vermes In addition you might want to check out the bibliographies of each of the above. They will lead you on a journey from the darkness of mystical superstitious beliefs based upon invention, lie and deceit to the light of truth, rationality, sanity and understanding.

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