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Original: ....................................................................... Christians will point out that the Bible conatins its own corroboration: the four gospels were written independently, from different points of view, by different authors. At the same time, they describe many of the same events in almost prcisely the same way. ........................................................................ Oh come on... Jesus' Birth ------------ MATTHEW [2:1] Jesus was born in the town of Bethlehem, in the land of Judea ... Soon afterwards some men who studied the stars came from the east to Jersulaem [4] He [Herod] ... asked them [the chief priests], "Where will the Messiah be born?" [5] "In the town of Bethlehem in Judea," they answered ... [8] then he sent them [the "wise men"] to Bethlehem ... [11] They went into the house and saw the child with his mother Mary. [13] After they had left, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph and said, "... run away to Egypt ..." [14] Joseph got up, took the child and his mother, and left during the night for Egypt, [15] where he stayed until Herod died. This was done to make come true what the Lord had said through the prophet, "I called my son out of Egypt." [19] After Herod had died, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in Egypt [20] and said, "... go back to the land of Israel ..." [21] So Joseph got up, took the child and his mother, and went back to Israel. [22] When he heard that Archelaus had succeeded his father Herod as king of Judea, Joseph was affraid to settle there. He was given more instructions in a dream, and so he went to the province of Galilee [23] and made his home in a town called Nazareth. He did this to make come true what the prophets had said, "He will be called a Nazarene." LUKE [2:4] Joseph went from the town of Nazareth, in Galilee, to Judea, to the town of Bethlehem ... [5] He went to register himself with Mary ... [6] ... and while they were in Bethlehem, the time came for her to have her baby. [7] She gave birth to the first son, ... and laid him in a manger - there was no room for them to stay in the inn. [22] The time came for Joseph and Mary to do what the Law of Moses commanded and perform the ceremony of purification. So they took the child to Jerusalem to present him to the Lord [40 days after birth, according to Mosaic Law (Lev. 12:2-4)] [38] ... she [a prophetess named Anna] ... arrived and gave thanks to God, and spoke about the child to all who were waiting for God to redeem Jerusalem. [39] When they had finished doing all that was required by the Law of the Lord, they returned to Galilee, to their home town of Nazareth. ---------------------- CONTRADICTIONS: These are two different versions. To believe that they are not contradictory we would have to believe that the phrases "left during the night for Egypt" and "they took the child to Jerusalem" refer to the same event. A family that has been warned to run away because Herod is trying to kill their son, takes him to the very city where Herod lives and shows him around the temple, where he is acclaimed as the Messiah, the very person Herod is trying to kill. Further, when Luke says "they returned to Galilee" he really means that they went to Egypt, stayed a few years, returned but were affraid of settling in Judea, and finally chose Galilee. The problem is that the two versions can't be reconciled. In Luke, Nazareth is always their home, they just go to Bethlehem to register. In Matthew, they only decide to live in Nazareth *after* they return from Egypt and decide that they can't settle in Judea. Judea, is their first choice. Why would that be if their home town is Nazareth, according to Matthew? The two versions are obviously incompatible. They both tell a story that places Jesus' birth in Bethlehem and gives him a Nazareth connection in order to fulfill prophecies. They do so in different ways, however. Matthew complicates matters by also making the story agree with another prophecy about the Messiah coming from Egypt. ******************************************************************************* Peter called to be a disciple ----------------------------- MATTHEW [4:12] When Jesus heard that John had been put in prison he went away to Galilee. [18] As Jesus walked by Lake Galilee, he saw two brothers who were fishermen, Simon (called Peter) and his brother Andrew, catching fish in the lake with a net. [19] Jesus said to them, "Come with me and I will teach you to catch men." JOHN [1:35] The next day John was there [in the Jordan (Mat. 3:13)] again with two of his disciples, [36] when he saw Jesus walking by. "Here is the Lamb of God!" he said. [37] The two disciples heard him say this and went with Jesus. [40] One of the two who heard John, and went with Jesus, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother. [41] At once Andrew found his brother Simon and told him, "We have found the Messiah." (This word means "Christ".) [42] Then he took Simon to Jesus ... [43] The next day Jesus decided to go to Galilee. [3:24] (John had not yet been put in prison). ---------------------- CONTRADICTIONS: The two accounts are extremely contradictory. In Matthew, Jesus goes to Galilee after John is arrested and there he meets Andrew and Peter who are fishermen. In John, Andrew is one of John's disciples and brings Peter to meet Jesus in the Jordan. Only then does Jesus go to Galilee (with his disciples). Only later is John arrested. ******************************************************************************* Mary anointing Jesus with perfume --------------------------------- MATTHEW [26:7] a woman came to him with an alabaster jar filled with an expensive perfume, which she poured on Jesus' head as he was eating. JOHN [12:3] Then Mary took a whole pint of very expensive perfume made of pure nard, poured it on Jesus' feet and wiped them with her hair. ---------------------- CONTRADICTIONS: In Matthew, the perfume is poured on his head. In John, on his feet. ******************************************************************************* The meal at Bethany ------------------- MATTHEW [21:10] When Jesus entered Jerusalem the whole city was thrown in an uproar. [17] Jesus left them and went out of the city to Bethany, where he spent the night. [26:6-7] [incident of Mary pouring perfume on Jesus] JOHN [12:1] Six days before the Passover, Jesus went to Bethany ... [2-3] [incident of Mary pouring perfume on Jesus] [12] ... the large crowd that had come to the Passover feast heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem ... ---------------------- CONTRADICTIONS: Matthew place the incident at Bethany after Jesus' triumphant arrival to Jerusalem. John places it after. ******************************************************************************* Throwing out the moneylenders from the Temple --------------------------------------------- MATTHEW [21:10] When Jesus entered Jerusalem the whole city was thrown in an uproar. [12] Jesus went out to the temple and drove out all those who bought and sold in the temple; ... JOHN [2:13] It was almost the time for the Jewish feast of Passover so Jesus went to Jerusalem [14] In the temple he found men selling cattle ... and also the moneychangers ... [3:22] After this, Jesus and his disciples went to the province of Judea ... [7:1] After this Jesus travelled in Galilee ... [12:12] ... the large crowd that had come to the Passover feast heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem ... ---------------------- CONTRADICTIONS: In Matthew, the throwing out of the moneylenders happens a few days before Jesus' death. In John, it happens at the beginning of his ministry, before his final visit to Jerusalem. ******************************************************************************* The Last Supper --------------- LUKE [22:7] The day came during the Feast of Unleavened Bread when the lambs for the Passover meal had to be killed ... [8] He [Jesus] said to them, "I have so much wanted to eat this Passover meal with you ..." JOHN [13:1] It was now the day before the Feast of Passover ... [2] Jesus and his disciples were at supper. [18:28] They took Jesus from Caiaphas' house to the Governor's palace. It was early in the morning. The Jews did not go inside the palace because they wanted to keep themselves ritually clean in order to be able to eat the Passover meal. ---------------------- CONTRADICTIONS: Luke (and Matthew and Mark) places the Last Supper on Passover. John places it the day *before* Passover. The morning after Jesus' arrest the Passover meal had not yet been eaten by the Jews of Jerusalem. ******************************************************************************* Jesus' trial ------------ MATTHEW [26:57] Those who arrested Jesus took him to the house of Caiaphas, the High Priest, where the teachers of the Law and the elders had gathered together. [27:1] Early in the morning ... [2] they put him in chains, took him and handed him over to Pilate, the Roman Governor. LUKE [22:54] They arrested Jesus and took him away into the house of the High Priest ... [65] When day came, the elders of the Jews, the chief priests and the teachers of the Law met together, and Jesus was brought to their council [23:1] the whole group rose and took Jesus before Pilate. JOHN [18:12] The group of soldiers ... [13] ... took him first to Annas. He was the father-in-law of Caiaphas, who was High Priest that year. [24] So Annas sent him, still tied up, to Caiaphas the High Priest. [28] They took Jesus from Caiaphas' house to the Governor's palace, it was early in the morning. ---------------------- CONTRADICTIONS: In Matthew, the elders have already met that night in Caiaphas' house and they question Jesus that evening. In Luke, the elders only meet in the morning, and question Jesus then. In John, Jesus is first questioned by Annas, then he is sent to Caiaphas and questioned by him, finally he is sent to Pilate. There is no mention of the elders. ******************************************************************************* Peter denying Jesus ------------------- MATTHEW [27:69] ... one of the High Priest's servant girls ... said, "You too were with Jesus of Galilee." [70] But he denied it in front of them all. "I don't know what you are talking about," ... [71] ... Another servant girl saw him and said ... "He was with Jesus of Nazareth." [72] Again Peter denied it and answered, "I swear that I don't know that man!" [73] After a little while the men standing there came to Peter. "Of course you are one of them," they said, "After all, the way you speak gives you away!" [74] then Peter made a vow: "May God punish me if I am not telling the truth! I do not know that man!" LUKE [22:56] ... one of the servant girls ... said, "This man too was with him!" [57] but Peter denied it, "Woman, I don't even know him!" [58] After a little while, a man noticed him and said, "You are one of them, too!" But Peter answered, "Man, I am not!" [59] About an hour later another man insisted strongly, "There isn't any doubt that this man was with him, because he is also a Galilean!" [60] But Peter answered, "Man, I don't know what you are talking about!" JOHN [18:17] The girl at the gate said to Peter, "Aren't you one of the disciple of that man?" "No I am not," answered Peter. [25] ... so the others said to him, "Aren't you one of the disciples of that man?" But Peter denied it, "No, I am not," he said. [26] One of the High Priest's slaves ... spoke up. "Didn't I see you with him in the garden?" he asked. [27] Again Peter said "No" ... ---------------------- CONTRADICTIONS: In Matthew and Luke, all those who challenge Peter accuse him of having been with Jesus. In John, they ask Peter if he was. Peter's answers differ in all three accounts. For example, his first denial: MATTHEW: "I don't know what you are talking about." LUKE: "Woman, I don't even know him!" JOHN: "No I am not." A final iron-clad contradiction is that Matthew states that the person challenging him the second time is a *woman*, while Luke states it is a *man*. ******************************************************************************* The inscription on the cross ---------------------------- MATTHEW [17:37] This is Jesus, the King of the Jews MARK [15:26] The King of the Jews LUKE [23:38] This is the King of the Jews JOHN [19:19] Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews CONTRADICTIONS: They all differ. The inscription could have only said one thing. Three of them must be wrong. ******************************************************************************* Jesus' last words ----------------- MATTHEW [27:46] ... Jesus cried out with a loud shout, "Eli, Eli, leme sabachtani?" which means, "My God, my God, why did you abandon me?" [47] Some of the people standing there heard them and said, "He is calling for Elijah!" [48] One of them ran up at once, took a sponge, soaked it in cheap wine, and tried to make him drink it. [49] But the others said, "Wait, let us see if Elijah is coming to save him!" [50] Jesus again gave a loud cry, and breathed his last. LUKE [23:46] Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Father! In your hands I place my spirit!" He said this and died. JOHN [19:28] Jesus ... said, "I am thirsty." [29] ... they soaked a sponge in the wine ... and lifted it to his lips. [30] Jesus took the wine and said, "It is finished!" Then he bowed his head and died. ---------------------- CONTRADICTIONS: Jesus' last words differ in Luke's and John's accounts. In John, Jesus asks for wine because he is thirsty. In Matthew, he does not ask for wine, instead he asks why God has abandoned him. ******************************************************************************* Jesus' resurrection ------------------- MATTHEW [28:1] ... Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the grave. [2] Suddenly there was a strong earthquake; an angel of the Lord came from heaven, rolled the stone away, and sat on it [4] The guards were so afraid that they trembled and became like dead men. [5] The angel spoke to the women, "You must not be afraid ... Jesus ... [6] ... has been raised ... [7] ... Quickly now, go and tell his disciples, 'He has been raised from death, and now he is going to Galilee ahead of you; there will you see him'. [8] So they left the grave in a hurry ... and ran to tell his disciples. [9] Suddenly Jesus met them and said, "Peace be with you." ... [10] .. "... Go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee, and there they will see me." [16] The eleven disciples went to the hill in Galilee where Jesus had told them to go. [17] When they saw him they worshipped him, even though some doubted. MARK [16:1] ... Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome ... [2] ... went to the grave [3-4] On the way they said to one another, "Who will roll away for us the stone ...?" ... then they looked up and saw that the stone had already been rolled back. [5] So they entered the grave, where they saw a young man sitting at the right ... [6] "Don't be alarmed," he said. "... Jesus ... has been raised! ... [7] Now go and give this message to his disciples, including Peter: 'He is going to Galilee ahead of you, there you will see him, just as he told you'" [8] So they ... ran from the grave ... they said nothing to anyone, because they were afraid. [9] After Jesus rose from death ... he appeared first to Mary Magdalene ... [10] She went out and told it to his companions ... [11] ... they did not believe her. [12] After this, Jesus appeared in a different manner to two of them while they were on their way to the country. [13] They returned and told it to the others, but they would not believe it. [14] Last of all, Jesus appeared to the eleven disciple as they were eating. He scolded them, because they did not have faith ... [19] After the Lord Jesus had talked with them, he was taken up to heaven ... LUKE [24:1] ... the women went to the grave ... [2] they found the stone rolled away from the entrance to the grave, [3] so they went in; but they did not find the body ... [4] suddenly two men ... stood by them. [5] ... the men said to them, "... he has been raised ..." [8] ... the women ... [9] returned from the grave and told all these things to the eleven disciples and all the rest. [10] The women were Mary Magdalene, Joanna, and Mary the mother of James; they and the other women with them told these things ... [11] But the apostles ... did not believe them. [12] But Peter ... ran to the grave ... and saw the grave clothes and nothing else ... [13] On that same two of them were going to a village named Emmaus ... [15] ... Jesus himself drew near and walked with them; [16] they saw him but somehow did not recognize him ... [33] they got up at once and went back to Jerusalem, where they found the eleven disciples ... [34] and saying, "The Lord is risen indeed! He has appeared to Simon!". [36] While they were telling them this, suddenly the Lord himself stood among them ... [50] then he led them out of the city as far as Bethany ... [51] As he was blessing them, he departed from them and was taken into heaven. JOHN [20:1] ... Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been taken away from the entrance. [2] She ran and went to Simon Peter and the other disciple whom Jesus loved and told them, "They have taken the Lord from the tomb and we don't know where they have put him!" [3] Then Peter and the other disciple ... went to the tomb. [4] ... but the other disciple ran faster than Peter and reached the tomb first. [5] He bent over and saw the linen clothes, but he did not go in. [6] Behind him came Simon Peter, and he went straight into the tomb ... [8] then the other disciple also went in; he saw and believed. [10] Then the disciples went back home. [11] Mary stood crying outside the tomb ... and looked in the tomb, [12] and saw two angels there ... sitting where the body of Jesus had been ... [13] "Woman, why are you crying?" they asked her. She answered, "They have taken my Lord ..." [14] When she said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there; but she did not know it was Jesus. [15] "Woman, why are you crying?" Jesus asked her. "Who is it you are looking for?" She thought he was the gardener, so she said to him, "If you took him away, sir, tell me where you have put him ..." [16] Jesus said to her, "Mary!" ... [17] "Do not hold on to me," Jesus told her, "...But go to my brothers and tell them for me, 'I go back up to him who is my Father ..." [18] So Mary Magdalene went and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord ... [19] It was late that Sunday evening, and the disciples were gathered together indoors again, and Thomas (called the Twin), was not with them when Jesus came ... [26] A week later the disciples were together indoors again, and Thomas with them. The doors were locked, but Jesus came and stood among them ... [21:1] After this, Jesus showed himself once more to his disciples at Lake Tiberias. ---------------------- CONTRADICTIONS: I hardly know where to begin; there are so many contradictions. I'll just list some of the major problems: *** First people to see the tomb early Sunday MATTHEW: Mary Magdalene and the other Mary MARK: Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, Salome LUKE: Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, Joanna, other women JOHN: Mary Magdalene *** What they see MATTHEW: An angel rolling away the stone and sitting on it, on the way back they see Jesus as they run MARK: The stone already rolled away, a young man sitting inside LUKE: The stone already rolled away, two men standing inside JOHN: The stone already rolled away, an empty tomb, they run back to get Peter and John, they also see an empty tomb then leave, Mary then sees two angels sitting inside, she then turns around and sees Jesus *** Appearances of Jesus MATTHEW: Mary Magdalene and the other Mary; some time later he appears to the 11 in Galilee (where Jesus said he'd meet them) MARK: Mary Magdalene; then to two disciples; then to the 11 as they are eating together; then he ascends to heaven (Note that Mark 16:1-8 and Mark 16:9-19 seem to be different accounts) LUKE: two disciples (the same day); then to the 11 in Jerusalem (the same evening), takes them to Bethany ans ascends heaven JOHN: Mary Magdalene (on her second trip to the grave); then to the 11 minus Thomas (the same evening); then to the full 11 (a week later); some time later to 7 disciples at Lake Tiberias ******************************************************************************* Judas' death ------------ MATTHEW [27:5] Judas threw down the money into the sanctuary and left them; then he went off and hanged himself. [6] The chief priests picked up the money and said, "This is blood money, and it is against our Law to put it in the temple treasury." [7] After reaching an agreement about it, they used the money to buy Potter's Field, as a cemetery for foreigners. [8] That is why that field is called "Field of Blood" to this very day. ACTS [1:18] With the money that Judas got for his evil act he bought a field, where he fell to his death; he burst open and all his insides spilled out. [19] All the people living in Jerusalem heard about it, and so in their own language they call that field Akeldama, which means "Field of Blood." ---------------------- CONTRADICTIONS: In Matthew Judas hangs himself. In Acts he falls to his death. In Matthew the chief priests buy the field. In Acts Judas buys the field. In Matthew the field is called "Field of Blood" because it is a cemetery for foreigners. In Acts, because Judas' spilled his blood there. .............................................................................. I get better consistency with Marvel & DC comics...


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