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From: Stilgar To: All Msg #48, Feb-19-93 10:26PM Subject: Re: Atheism is False Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park From: west@next02cville.wam.umd.edu (Stilgar) Message-ID: <1993Feb20.062622.28016@wam.umd.edu> Reply-To: west@next02.wam.umd.edu Newsgroups: alt.atheism In article <1993Feb18.032721.6752@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: > I will tell you that each and every believing muslim is innocent. And I > will tell you that anybody who committs atrocities in the name of Islam > is not on the side of Islam. OH NO! It's the NOT TRUE <> argument!! Oh, how low you have fallen, Bobby, to use this argument! Every religious group confronted by it's own ugly crimes uses this... "Well, those murdering-rapist-heathen-pigs weren't TRUE believers. > The Serbian Guerrilla forces leadership (deletion of various atrocities) > This is their strategy of trying to rid the muslims that live around > them.This is all planned on the Serbian side. OH NO (#2)! WE didn't do it. THEY did it. Common-cliche-religious- move-number-two. Not only were those people NOT TRUE BELIEVERS, they didn't even do it, the other guys did it! WER'E INNOCENT! > (major deletia of Oh-No's #1 and #2) But the serbians have lost total > lack of faith, the don't believe in God and the Afterlife, and they > don't have morals. The small amount of believing Serbians of course > don't support such crimes, while the christians in name serbian do. OH NO (#3)! AND the other guys are infidel-idol-worshipping-heathen- pagan-lowlife-babyeating-satinists! So we are DOUBLY morally correct. > This is the difference between believing in Allah or God and not. OH NO (#4)! NOW that you've made this so clear to us Bobby, lets review .. 1) the muslums there aren't true believers 2) those that are true believers are being attacked by those in #1) and by white christians (both of who are idol-worshiping-pagan-hugging-baby-eating-heathens and 3) its all a CONSPIRACY to defile the name of Allah. And SO, the Serbian Government (or whatever) is a bunch of non-believers, while the Bosnian is innocent, but getting a bad rap from those who aren't true believers, and there are heathens everywhere, and they're out to get me and they shall all burn in hell. Sorry, Bobby, this sounds a bit paranoid, just a bit like you're trying to defend yourself by putting down those not-true-muslims and then claiming that any REAL believer wouldn't EVER do such things. BRRRRRRT sorry, but that gets the religious-cliche'-used-a-million-times-before- and-it-still-doesn't-hold-water buzzer. Thank you for playing and do try to defend your religion again here on a.a. ======================================================================== From: Nicholas C. Hester To: All Msg #55, Feb-20-93 07:18AM Subject: Re: Islamic Law (was: Atheism is False) Organization: University of Maine System From: IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Nicholas C. Hester) Message-ID: <93051.101858IA80024@maine.maine.edu> Newsgroups: alt.atheism In article <2939171729.1.p00261@psilink.com>, "Robert Knowles" says: > >Also, please tell us what rights ATHEISTS have under ISLAM? Also tell us >what happens to a Moslem who decides to become an ATHEIST. Since most of I asked this question to a Muslim friend of mine a couple of years ago. My friend was born Pakistani, and who's parents now live in Saudi Arabia. I was curious as to what would happen since I would like to visit the Middle East and other countries someday. He informed me that I would likely be beaten and/or killed. That it is better to profess belief in christianity rather than be found out as an atheist. ======================================================================= From: Usenet To: All Msg #56, Feb-20-93 10:28AM Subject: Re: Atheism is False Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago From: David James Alexander Hanley Message-ID: <93051.122828U34465@uicvm.uic.edu> Newsgroups: alt.atheism In article <1993Feb18.032721.6752@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) says: > >I will tell you that each and every believing muslim is innocent. And I will not beleive you unless you show some evidence that these people are not true believers. A sterling example is how the islamic minority is killing tourists in egypt in their attempts to force the rest of the population to conform to islamic law, a horrible thought. > And I >will tell you that anybody who committs atrocities in the name of Islam >is not on the side of Islam. But they claim they are. Why should I beleive them and not you? > This is the truth. As a religious zealot, I don't think you would know truth if you saw it. > Its too bad that there >some muslims that committ atrocities. Tell me that what they are doing >is Islamic, and tell me they believe in Islam. What they are doing is islamic. They beleive in islam. Happy? > This is the truth. >Believing in Islam can only help. It can only help to enslave humanity. This is the truth. >The muslim Bosnian government is not committing ethnic cleansing at all, I thought that you had argued earlier that there was no muslim government?? >have lost total lack of faith, the don't believe in God and the >Afterlife, and they don't have morals. The small amount of believing >Serbians of course don't support such crimes, while the christians in >name serbian do. On the contrary, it is because if the insanity that religion causes that crimes like this can be comitted.

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