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Xref: taco alt.atheism:11794 talk.religion.misc:41560 Path: ncsuvm!taco!gatech!psuvax1!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!apollo!perry From: perry@apollo.hp.com (Jim Perry) Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.religion.misc Subject: Hitler the atheist? Message-ID: <1991Jun24.205348.17075@apollo.hp.com> Date: 24 Jun 91 20:53:48 GMT Sender: netnews@apollo.hp.com (USENET posting account) Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA Lines: 198 Nntp-Posting-Host: capsicum.ch.apollo.hp.com We've recently undergone another of those spates of discussions of morality in which appeared the inevitable and undocumented appeal to Nazism in general and the Holocaust in particular as the ultimate end result of whatever view the author opposes (recently atheism, humanism, moral relativism). I am no historian, certainly not of this century. What I know of WWII and related events is primarily that which percolates through our culture, school history classes, contemporary fiction, films and documentaries, and the like. Generally, I "know" that the above arguments are baseless both because they disagree with what I do know about the historical events, and even more because there is rarely any actual historical information claimed, making the whole thing more of an ad hominem exercise than reason. Still, I broke down this weekend and spent some time in the library. I started with _Mein Kampf_, on the theory that Hitler *was* Nazism. From there I proceeded to various works on Nazism and the Holocaust, to look for evidence of official policy as it differed from Hitler's philosophy. Frankly, that was a mistake, because of course the official policy implemented Hitler's racist philosophy all too faithfully, and I gave up because my stomach couldn't take any more. Anyway, without too much comment, three passages from _Mein_Kampf_: these are somewhat lengthy, but I chose to quote longer passages rather than try to edit them down. The first is a general comment on the state of religion in Germany, and repeats arguments I have seen frequently in these groups. The final two are more offensive, and delve into Hitler's anti-semitism. Anyone who finds these the words of an atheist and advocate of atheism is using a most unusual definition of the term (and there will be some). THIS IS OFFENSIVE MATERIAL. Everthing after this is in the words of Adolf Hitler, with the exception of [editorial annotation]. ---- All these symptoms of decay are in the last analysis only the consequences of the absence of a definite, uniformly acknowledged philosophy and the resultant general uncertainty in the judgment and attitude toward the various great problems of the time. That is why, beginning in education, everyone is half-hearted and vacillating, shunning responsibility and thus ending in cowardly tolerance of even recognized abuses. Humanitarian bilge becomes stylish, and, by weakly yielding to cankers and sparing individuals, the future of millions is sacrificed. How widespread the general disunity was growing is shown by an examination of religious conditions before the War. Here, too, a unified and effective philosophical conviction had long since been lost in large sections of the nation. In this the members officially breaking away from the churches play a less important role than those who are completely indifferent. While both denominations maintain missions in Asia and Africa in order to win new converts for their doctrine -- an activity which can boast but very modest success compared to the advance of the Mohammedan faith in particular -- right here in Europe they lose millions of inward adherents who either are alien to all religious life or simply go their own ways. The consequences, particularly from the moral point of view, are not favorable. Also noteworthy is the increasingly violent struggle against the dogmatic foundations of the various churches without which in this human world the practical experience of a religious faith is not conceivable. The great masses of people do not consist of philosophers; precisely for the masses, faith is often the sole foundation of a moral attitude. The various substitutes have not proved so successful from the standpoint of results that they could be regarded as a useful replacement for previous religious creeds. But if religious doctrine and faith are really to embrace the broad masses, the unconditional authority of the content of this faith is the foundation of all efficacy. What the current _mores_, without which assuredly hundreds of thousands of well-bred people would live sensibly but millions of others would not, are for general living, state principles are for the state, and dogmas for the current religion. Only through them is the wavering and infinitely interpretable, purely intellectual idea delimited and brought into a form without which it could never become faith. Otherwise the idea would never pass beyond a metaphysical conception; in short, a philosophical opinion. The attack against dogmas as such, therefore, strongly resembles the struggle against the general legal foundations of a state, and, as the latter would end in a total anarchy of the state, the former would end in a worthless religious nihilism. For the political man, the value of a religion must be estimated less by its deficiencies than by the virtue of a visibly better substitute. As long as this appears to be lacking, what is present can be demolished only by fools or criminals. Not the smallest blame for the none too delectable religious conditions must be borne by those who encumber the religious idea with too many things of a purely earthly nature and thus often bring it into a totally unnecessary conflict with so-called exact science. In this victory will almost always fall to the latter, though perhaps after a hard struggle, and religion will suffer serious damage in the eyes of all those who are unable to raise themselves above a purely superficial knowledge. Worst of all, however, is the devastation wrought by the misuse of religious conviction for political ends. In truth, we cannot sharply enough attack those wretched crooks who would like to make religion an implement to perform political or rather business services for them. These insolent liars, it is true, proclaim their creed in a stentorian voice to the whole world for other sinners to hear; but their intention is not, if necessary, to die for it, but to live better. For a single political swindle, provided it brings in enough, they are willing to sell the heart of a whole religion; for ten parliamentary mandates they would ally themselves with the Marxistic enemies of all religions -- and for a minister's chair they would even enter into a marriage with the devil, unless the devil were deterred by a remnant of decency. ---- [...] But scarcely had [the National Socialist movement] succeeded in giving the German people its great, unifying idea of struggle in this question ["the Jewish question"] than the Jew commenced to counter-attack. He seized upon his old weapon. With miraculous speed he threw the torch of discord into the folkish movement and sowed dissension. As things then stood, the only possibility of occupying the public attention with other questions and withholding a concentrated attack from the Jews lay in raising the _Ultramontane question_, and in the resulting clash between Catholicism and Protestantism. These men can never atone for the wrong they did our people in hurling this question into their midst. In any case the Jew reached his desired goal: Catholics and Protestants wage a merry war with one another, and the mortal enemy of Aryan humanity and all Christendom laughs up his sleeve. Just as formerly they were able to busy public opinion for years with the struggle between federalism and centralization, thus wearing it down with exhaustion, while the Jew sold the freedom of the nation and betrayed our fatherland to international high finance, now again he succeeds in causing the two German denominations to assail one another, while the foundations of both are corroded and undermined by the poison of the international world Jew. Bear in mind the devastations which Jewish bastardization visits on our nation each day, and consider that this blood poisoning can be removed from our national body only after centuries, if at all; consider how racial disintegration drags down and often destroys the last Aryan values of our German people, so that our strength as a culture-bearing nation is visibly more and more involved in a regression and we run the risk, in our big cities at least, of reaching the point where southern Italy is today. This contamination of our blood, blindly ignored by hundreds of thousands of our people, is carried on systematically by the Jew today. Systematically these black parasites of the nation defile our inexperienced young blond girls and thereby destroy something which can no longer be replaced in this world. Both, yes, both Christian denominations look on indifferently at this desecration and destruction of a noble and unique living creature, given to the earth by God's grace. The significance of this for the future of the earth does not lie in whether the Protestants defeat the Catholics or the Catholics the Protestants, but in whether the Aryan man is preserved for the earth or dies out. Nevertheless, the two denominations do not fight today against the destroyer of this man, but strive mutually to annihilate one another. The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making _people_stop_just talking_superficially_of_God's_will,_and_actually_fulfill_God's_will, and_not_let_God's_word_be_desecrated_. [orig. ital.] For God's will gave men their form, their essence, and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will. Therefore, let every man be active, each in his own denomination if you please, and let every man take it as his first and most sacred duty to oppose anyone who in his activity by word or deed steps outside the confines of his religious community and tries to butt into the other. For in Germany to attack the special characteristics of a denomination, within the religious schism we already have with us, necessarily leads to a war of annihilation between the two denominations. [...] ---- The Jewish doctrine of Marxism rejects the aristocratic principle of Nature and replaces the eternal privilege of power and strength by the mass of numbers and their dead weight. Thus is denies the value of personality in man, contests the significance of nationality and race, and thereby withdraws from humanity the premise of its existence and its culture. As a foundation of the universe, this doctrine would bring about the end of any order intellectually conceivable to man. And as, in this greatest of all recognizable organisms, the result of an application of such a law could only be chaos, on earth it could only be destruction for the inhabitants of this planet. If, with the help of his Marxist creed, the Jew is victorious over the other peoples of the world, his crown will be the funeral wreath of humanity and this planet will, as it did thousands [millions in second ed.] of years ago, move through the ether devoid of men. Eternal Nature inexorably avenges the infringement of her commands. Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: _by_defending_myself_against_the_Jew,_I_am fighting_for_the_work_of_the_Lord. [orig. ital.] ---- [Adolf Hitler, from _Mein Kampf_, trans. Ralph Mannheim] -- Jim Perry perry@apollo.hp.com HP/Apollo, Chelmsford MA


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