THEIST_WATCH Msg : 130 Written : 10/11/94 07:02pm From : ROBIN MURRAY-O'HAIR Status : To :

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THEIST_WATCH Msg : 130 Written : 10/11/94 07:02pm From : ROBIN MURRAY-O'HAIR Status : To : ALL Subj : Columbus Day Imagine That With Columbus Day upon us, representatives of American Indians gathered outside of Chicago to make a few statements. The most cogent of them was -- surprise! -- that the American con- tinent had been here for quite some time - populated for thou- sands of years before Columbus accidentally bumped into it. It wasn't "discovered" except to a "Eurocentric" world. The Indian spokesman put it this way: We see no reason in celebrating a day for him (Colum- bus), simply because he bumped into this continent and was given credit for its "discovery." The question was - why not a day of to celebrate a Native American such as Crazy Horse or Sitting Bull. Without getting into any of the other issues such as Spain and Portugal introducing the Inquisition into this continent, American Atheists feel that the American Indians might have something there - indeed the American continent has been around for a little while. * WCE 2.0/[NR-1167] * Save you? God can't even cure acne! THEIST_WATCH Msg : 131 Written : 10/11/94 07:02pm From : ROBIN MURRAY-O'HAIR Status : To : ALL Subj : TBS and the Indian Religion TBS Ted Turner begins "The Native American" a three-part (two hours each) documentary on TBS beginning today, October 10. And, a songwriter-singer, Robbie Robertson, explains the "Ghost Dance" song which he wrote for it. It turns out that the song is a prayer of desperation. He explains that in 1800 there were forty million buffalo on our plains. In 1850 there were twenty million buffalo. By 1900, there were 500. Allegedly they were destroyed for their skins. A Paiute (Indian) messiah, Wovoka, wrote a prayer and a dance for the return of the buffalo and a better day in the life of the Indians. He explained, Washington did not like the name of it and told Indians it was against the law to do the "Ghost Dance." It became apparent that freedom of religion didn't apply to these people. They refused to stop doing it. The cavalry attacked the Sioux nation and massacred 300, mostly women and children, at Wounded Knee in the Dakotas and buried them in one big grave. It is such a horror to me. I needed to write a piece of music that expressed something of this event and feeling. "A lot" of traditional Indian music is religious and is not allowed to be recorded or filmed. This, apparently, is an exception -- money counts. * WCE 2.0/[NR-1167] * American Atheist Press PO Box 2117 Austin TX 78768 THEIST_WATCH Msg : 156 Written : 10/30/94 03:00pm From : ROBIN MURRAY-O'HAIR Status : To : ALL Subj : Whatever happened to Bakker's resort? WHATEVER HAPPENED TO BAKKER'S RESORT? Now that Jim Bakker has served his time for criminal fraud and conspiracy, have you ever wondered what happened religious retreat that he bilked supporters to fund? The retreat included single family homes, timeshare condominiums, Heritage Grand (a 501-room hotel), a water park, and other facilities. The resort itself was bought nearly 4 years ago by Malayan United Industries. On Friday, October 14, Malayan United Industries announced that the Heritage Grand had been affiliated with the Radisson hotel chain and is now dubbed the "Radisson Grand Resort." But religion isn't entirely out of the picture. Radisson's district director in Charlotte, North Carolina, noted that "It will still be known as a religious family retreat." The hotel will not serve alcohol or allow smoking. The sign "Jesus Is God" has, however, been removed from the registration desk. Source: AP, 10/15/94 --Robin Murray-O'Hair, Sysop, American Atheists Online * WCE 2.0/2394 * Jesus Christ: Imaginary Playmate to Millions of Adults! *********************************************************************** * * * American Atheists website: http://www.atheists.org * * PO Box 140195 FTP: ftp://ftp.atheists.org * * Austin, TX 78714-0195 * * Voice: (512) 458-1244 Dial-THE-ATHEIST: * * FAX: (512) 467-9525 (512) 458-5731 * * * * Atheist Viewpoint TV: avtv@atheists.org * * Info on American Atheists: info@atheists.org, * * & American Atheist Press include your name and mailing address * * AANEWS -Free subscription: aanews-request@listserv.atheists.org * * and put "info aanews" in message body * * * * This text may be freely downloaded, reprinted, and/other * * otherwise redistributed, provided appropriate point of * * origin credit is given to American Atheists. * * * ***********************************************************************

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