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THE INTERNATIONAL CHRISTIAN DISCIPLESHIP MINISTRIES ==================================================== Olympia, Washington 1:352/777 77:1/0 206.866.3621 ==================================================== Rev. Tomas David Hood -- Chief Director/Founder Michael Carney -- Vice Chairman Thank you for asking for further information about the ICDM and the ICDM Network. You have rightly asked for more in-depth information regarding our beliefs, and our purpose. I thought that sharing with you the actual By-Laws on these points would serve as a good reference for you. Then, I will answer some common questions and present more additional thoughts. Here are excerpts from the current By-Laws of the International Christian Discipleship Ministries: 2.0 MISSION OF THE MINISTRY. The mission of the International Christian Discipleship Ministries (hereafter called 'The Ministry,' and 'ICDM') is to share the Good News of God's love and provisions of salvation to all mankind (the Gospel), and to teach the ways of Jesus Christ to His disciples, through whatever means available and convenient to the corporation. The basic goal of the ministry is "discipleship." The ICDM is following the commission of Christ, to go to all the world and make disciples in His name. 2.1 BULLETIN BOARD NETWORK. The International Christian Discipleship Ministries is authorized to form and operate and maintain the ICDM Network of bulletin board systems. This network is an outreach for both evangelical purposes and for discipleship and growth of the believer of Christ. Included in this operation is the creation, operation, maintenance, and funding of bulletin board systems, which includes computer hardware and software, telephone lines, and utilities coverage to operate such systems. Funds shall be appropriated to cover the costs of operating bulletin board systems that exist as an extension of the Ministry. 5.0 STATEMENT OF DOCTRINE AND FAITH We believe and teach 5.1 that the Bible is the inspired and only inerrant authoritative Word of God (II Tim 3:16; II Peter 1:21) 5.2 in the one true God, who created and framed everything, eternally self-existant as one in nature and purpose, yet threefold in personality and function (Jn 3:16-17; Matt 28:19; II Cor 13:14), being triune in fulness and distinctively revealed to us through history as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit (Rom 1:7; Heb 1:8; Acts 5:3,4; Heb 1:1-3,8-12; John 1:1,14), and that in the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, dwells all the fullness of Godhead bodily (Col 2:9). 5.3 in the deity and humanity of the Lord Jesus Christ (Rev 22:13,16; Jn 1:1; Matt 16:16,17; Lk 1:26-35; Phil 2:5-11), in His virgin birth (Matt 1:18-23), in His sinless life (Heb 4:14,15), in His death (Gal 3:13; Rom 5:10,11), in His bodily resurrection (Matt 28:5-7; Jn 20:20), in His ascension to the right hand of the Father (Acts 1:9-11; Eph 1:20,21; Heb 1:3) as the Intercessor (Heb 7:25; Rom 8:34), and in His personal and bodily future return to this earth in power and glory (Acts 1:11). 5.4 in the Holy Spirit, who intercedes on our behalf, being God (Rom 8:26,27), who is sent by Jesus (Jn 16:5-15) and is received by those who seek the Father (Lk 11:13), and who is totally at work in the church, as the sovereign authority to give all His gifts today according to His will (I Cor 12:11). 5.5 in the creation, test, and fall of mankind as recorded in Genesis, and mankind's total spiritual depravity and inability to attain to divine righteousness (Rom 5:12,18). 5.6 in the salvation of sinners by grace, through repentance and faith in Christ and His precious blood by which we obtain remission of sins (Eph 2:3-9; Rom 5:9-11; Jn 1:12,13; Acts 4:12; Heb 9:12,22; 1 Jn 1:9), not by works but by His mercy and the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit (Titus 3:5). 5.7 that the redemptive work of Christ on the cross provides healing of the human body in answer to believing prayer (Isa 53:4,5; I Pet 2:24; Matt 8:16,17). 5.8 in being initially and continually filled with and controlled by the Holy Spirit, there are times when this may be evidenced by one or more gifts of the Holy Spirit, but is always evident through the fruits of the Spirit, and this enables the believer to grow and mature in Christ, and enables the believer to commune with the Father through the Spirit (I Cor 14:2; Eph 5:18,25-27; Acts 2:4; I Cor 1:30; II Cor 6:14, 7:1). 5.9 in water baptism by immersion (buried) as an act of obedience by every believer, and constitutes being baptised into the Lord Jesus Christ (Matt 3:13-17; Acts 2:38; Rom 6:3,4; Matt 28:19; etc.). 5.10 in the resurrection of both the believers and unbelievers; the believers to everlasting life (I Thess 4:16,17) and the unbelievers to everlasting punishment (II Thess 1:9; Rev 20:11-15). 5.11 in the reality and personality of satan and in eternal judgment and punishment of satan and his angels (Matt 25:41; Rev 20:10-15). 5.12 that there is one Body of Christ, the Church, which is composed of many members in particular, all having been baptised into one body by one Spirit, and that these members are set in the body as it pleases God, and every member has his own particular function with Christ as the head, and that the body is linked together by the love that shows that each is of God (Col 1:18; I Cor 12:13,17,18; Eph 4:4; Rom 12:4,5). 5.13 that the true Church of Jesus Christ the Lord is one universally and is visibly seen as individual local fellowships, and that the basic purpose of the Church is fourfold: - Vertically, to minister to God (I Pet 2:5; Mark 12:29,30), - Horizontally, to minister to the Body of Christ (Eph 4:11-13; Rom 12:1-21; I Cor 12:13,14), - Outwardly, to minister to the world (Mark 16:15-18; Acts 1:8; Isa 61:103; Psa 2:8), - Triumphantly, to engage in spiritual warfare against the domain of darkness (Eph 6:10-12; II Cor 10:3-5). 5.14 that it is absolutely essential to promote the unity of the Spirit within the local church and among other members of the Body of Christ (Eph 4:1-13; Psa 133, I Cor 1:10; Phil 1:27). 5.15 that the Lord gives to the Church today apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers for the equipping of the saints for the work of God, for the edifying of the Body of Christ, until we come to the unity of the faith and the knowledge of the Son of God (Eph 4:7-16; I Cor 12:28). 5.16 in the operation of all the manifestations of the Spirit (I Cor 12:7) in the local church, and that these manifestations are listed as gifts, administrations, operations, and ministries, and the Holy Spirit divides to every man severally as He wills, and that not all have the same gifts or office (Rom 12:3-8; I Cor 12). 5.17 that the development of Christ-like character in each believer's life is the Biblical foundation for all gifts, ministries, and activities of the church (Matt 5:1-10; I Cor 13). These above statement are not the total sum of the beliefs of the ICDM, but serve as a basic foundation of our belief and message. That ends the excerpts from the By-Laws of the ICDM. I would also add that the ministry is not part of any denomination, nor claims to be a denomination. Rather, we hold that every believer in Christ belongs to the One Church. Local fellowships and denominations should not cause division in the Church. Therefor, we could be considered "Inter-denominational and Non- denominational." The final authority is Christ through His Word, the Bible. Here is an excerpt from a message in which the writer asked question to which I have responded. He allowed me to use these here: DS | Is ICDM affiliated with any particular denomination. No. The ministry believes that we are all of one Spirit, one body, with the head being Christ Jesus, the Lord. There is neither Jew or Gentile, male nor female, slave nor free, for we are all of one God, the Almighty. DS | I assume that you will be steering at least some echoes DS | toward a particular view. What is your background? I came to know of salvation through the ministry of a little Baptist congregation in Montana. I heard the Gospel, and the Holy Spirit quickened my spirit to receive the truth. I believed on the Son of God, and was born again, born from above, in 1973. Later in my life, I became a member of the Assembly of God, and then with other fellowships, such as the Four-Square, and others. Finally, I discovered that we are all of one family. I find my place with all believers in Christ. I was called to the ministry about the same year as I came to know Him. It was unmistakable. I owe Him everything. DS | Who or what pays ICDM's bills. First, the ICDM is a not-for-profit ministry in the State of Washington, and as such accepts donations that help pay whatever needs paying. For the most part, the expenses for the network come out of my own pocket, as well as the pocket of each sysop agreeing to carry the conferences. It is voluntary in that regard, as is Fidonet and others. Other expenses are paid from whatever source the Lord provides, as is usual for a ministry. If you have the ability and the desire, your help is appreciated. DS | A number of my callers are home schoolers and/or their DS | parents. These people are mainly Assembly of God or DS | Conservative Babtists. Are they going to have problems with DS | your view of the world? My personal view? I doubt that they would, if they are teachable from the Word of God, the Bible. I hold that as the truth. It is my faith that God's Word shall not come back void. I never compromise the Word while conversing with those on the network. I am also teachable. The Word of God is powerful, and given to teach and change lives. There are others on the network that may differ in belief. There are those that are not Christian. The whole idea of the network is for everyone to express his or her belief and to hear the others. If someone is not able to be challenged in this way, then they should not participate. But, the person who is able to share the Word of God and allow for others to differ will have no problem. This is a ministry to all the world, and we reach out as much as is possible. We have a servant's heart, and hunger for the Love of God to bear fruit through our efforts. DS | You use the term 'Christ Disciple' a number of times in your DS | info pack; what does that mean to you? The God of Abraham, the invisible Creator Himself, sent His Son into the world, became flesh, and dwelt among us. He died, was buried, and rose again. He gave us life, and the life is the Light. He calls unto Himself disciples, those who will follow Him and obey Him. These people are born again and have the Lord Jesus Christ as their teacher, through the Holy Spirit. I use the term "Christ Disciple" to signify better who we are, since the term "Christian" is misused in today's language. DS | How am I expected to limit access to the 'Christ Disciple' DS | echoes? Do not limit, just have a statement of the general policy. I post regularly each conference's policy and purpose. If a user gets out of hand, the sysop is asked to limit that person. On a practical level, on my board, I do not let ANY person have write access to any of the messages until I know that the person is civil. DS | How do I decide if a person unknown to me is a believer or DS | not? We shall know them by their fruit, and by what proceeds out of their mouths! (smile). I am assuming you are my brother, so I will say, brother, to pray over the whole affair and let the Lord guide you. I am not asking to keep non-believers out. The Lord will honor His word. DS | How does a sysop who is not a believer decide who gets DS | access to these echoes? Same way. Following the rules of conduct, they are expected to respect the network. If they fail, no feed. (==ende==) Now, to quote some examples from the network, I would share these. Some are "meaty" while some are more "milk-ish." The network serves the whole Body. So, here is only a sampling: (Because a good number of people are asking a bit about me (tomas) I thought that I would kind of share more of my messages, too, so the following are also examples of my "doctrine" in the form of messages) (The following is parts of a dialog between Tomas Hood and Ivan O'neill, and I tried to keep them chronological): =========================================================================== BBS: THE CRYSTAL MOUNTAIN BBS Date: 11-19-91 (05:13) Number: 2075 From: TOMAS HOOD Refer#: NONE To: IVAN O'NEILL Recvd: NO Subj: Obediance 1/4 Conf: (152) ICDM:Dscpl --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Whew, you wrote a long, in depth message! Well, let's delve into it! (this reply will take several message, to be sure!) (oh, and don't be overwhelmed by the great amount of reply here: I trust you will delve into it, also, and reply in well as others, I hope, who will join in...) ................................................................. Here we go: IO | Obediance. It is an ongoing struggle within each of us to IO | rid ourselves of Sin and adopt God's ways. Rom 6:2: By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? (NIV) Rom 6:12: Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. (NIV) It would appear that these contradict each other: One says that we have to struggle to overcome sin in our lives, the other says that we have died to sin. How are these reconciled? To struggle against sin under an obligation to the Law, is a struggle outside of Grace, according to Paul. But, never-the- less, he tells us to struggle. Or does he? What is he really trying to teach us? Consider this: Rom 6:6-20,22,23: For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin--because anyone who has died has been freed from sin. The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God. In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to him as instruments of righteousness. For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey--whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted. You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness. When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. ... ...(v22) But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. (NIV) Perhaps we must get a gripe on reality: If we have truely accepted Christ as Lord, and believe on Him and confess Him before mankind, the we have accepted Him to come into our lives and crucify our flesh and allowed Him the freedom to create in us a new heart. And by the infilling of the Holy Spirit, we have become empowered with New Life (breathed by the Spirit, just as God breathed the first breath of life into Adam) and are now dead to all sin and the desires of the old man. Therefor, note that it is a supernatural event: Christ gives us new life. His Word renews our minds and brings our desires into full submission to His "law." So, does that mean we now are perfect, and never desire to sin? Or is the question really: Have I counted the cost of saying "Yes, Lord," allowing Him to truely crucify us, and resurrect us again? Gal 5:16-18,24,25: So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law. (v24) Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. (NIV) >>> Continued to next message --- RAMail 3.0 * Origin: Cognitive ReGeneration : theMod's Place : Oly, WA (77:1/0) =========================================================================== BBS: THE CRYSTAL MOUNTAIN BBS Date: 11-19-91 (05:13) Number: 2076 From: TOMAS HOOD Refer#: NONE To: IVAN O'NEILL Recvd: NO Subj: Obediance 2/4 Conf: (152) ICDM:Dscpl --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Continued from previous message It appears that if we yield to the Holy Spirit, we should have no problem in doing His will. If we resist Him, we fall into the Law. Hmmmm. How do we become led by His Spirit? Who changes our will so that we have no problem and no hinderance to live by the Spirit? IO | The question is what are his ways. The bible is the answer, IO | understanding it is the stubbling block. (If anyone lacks wisdom, let him ask of God...) What are His ways? You are right; the Bible is the answer. One job for the Holy Spirit is to instruct us. One of our obligations is to "study to show ourselves worthy." With the Spirit, we have the link and the key to the mysteries of God. IO | Does obediance involve the Denomination you are active in, IO | good question. Personally, I would say yes. If I'm in a IO | Denomination which advocates a loose approach to adherence IO | to Scripture than I suspect I would gravitate in the same IO | direction. It is unfortunate that each individual can't IO | contribute to the overall insight into Scripture instead of IO | simple becoming just another part of the accepted view. Denominations are a curse, I would say. While intentions may be good and the doctrine sound of some of these denominations, we are all one body. We all are of the One Sheperd, though there may be small flocks scattered about. But, we are all of Christ, not of the Assemblies, or the Methodists... I Cor 1:12-15: What I mean is this: One of you says, "I follow Paul"; another, "I follow Apollos"; another, "I follow Cephas"; still another, "I follow Christ." Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul? I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, so no one can say that you were baptized into my name. (NIV) Each individual must come as an individual to Christ, on His terms. And we interact together as a body. We are not subjected to a church government, but we are subjected to Christ. He is our Shepherd, He is our covering, He is our Father, He is our High Priest. There are many scriptures to this effect: First, that playing religion in His name will not work. There are many denominations that play Christianity (and usually very poorly) but have no life in Christ: Matt 7:21-23: "Not everyone who says to me, `Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, `I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' (NIV) And, Christ forbade us from doing certain things: Matt 23:8-11: "But you are not to be called `Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth `father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Nor are you to be called `teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ. The greatest among you will be your servant. (NIV) The role of denominational leaders can be out of line from scripture, then. Isn't it great to become individuals, responsible to God, our Father? Yes, we are responsible to interact with each other, but, on equal footing. The offices of pastor, teacher, apostle, etc., are there for the edification of the Body, not for the rule of the body. There is One Head: John 10:11, 12, 14, 15, 16: "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. The hired hand is not the shepherd who owns the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it. "I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me--just as the Father knows me and I know the Father--and I lay down my life for the sheep. I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd. (NIV) As far as who we are able to come to God through, that is plain. There is no need for a Mary who prays for us, etc.: >>> Continued tonext message --- RAMail 3.0 * Origin: Cognitive ReGeneration : theMod's Place : Oly, WA (77:1/0) =========================================================================== BBS: THE CRYSTAL MOUNTAIN BBS Date: 11-19-91 (05:13) Number: 2077 From: TOMAS HOOD Refer#: NONE To: IVAN O'NEILL Recvd: NO Subj: Obediance 3/4 Conf: (152) ICDM:Dscpl --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Continued from previous message Eph 2:18: For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. (NIV) 1 Tim 2:5: For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, (NIV) Heb 2:17: For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. (NIV) IO | Liberty to me has great bearing on an individual's IO | understanding. If the understanding isn't there how can I IO | obey. Am I required to obey what I don't understand? It often happens that the soul of a man requires of him to do certain things. The logic behind such a demand by his soul only emerges clearly after the task has been done, the conscious intent being but the tip of the iceberg of unconscious intent. This obedience to unconscious intent can be called obedience by faith. The soul has knowledge of right and wrong. It recognizes God's supremacy and understands its obligations to its Creator. It urges the man to do things that are right, even though to the mind, these things don't make sense. God requires of the individual to act by faith. He has given His law, He has made it clear what His will is concerning us and our activity. The individual is expected to act in obedience to that law, even if it seems illogical. The Scripture says, Rom 2:14,15: (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) (NIV) Now, while there may be a "liberty" to interpret the Word, there is no liberty to those subjected to the Spirit. Those who are not yielded to the Spirit are like a wave tossed by the wind. Those yielded to the Spirit are able to rightly divide the Word of God. And, those who are yielded are known by their friut. IO | I don't think Liberty should be an Excuss to not obey, if IO | anything I should be motivated to modify my behavior even IO | more because of Liberty. Yes, because of what Christ has done, I am filled with a desire to love Him. I do believe that was His intention: to provide something so awesome for us that we desire out of our free will to love Him and fellowship with Him. So the freedom is one that causes a response of love in us toward the Father. Not a freedom that would prompt us to ignore Him and destroy our relationship with Him. IO | Where did you get these questions? Its probably too early IO | in the morning for me to think. I have been replying to this message from 2am until now, 3:30am. I guess it is early, no? (grin). Where do I get the questions? From the endless ponderings... (smile). IO | God gave us clear mandates to obey and in not so clear IO | areas. I disagree. God is very clear, yes, but even in the areas: do you not remember the words of our Lord? "Love your God with all you heart, and love your neighbor as yourself." This is so clear. How can we miss this? If we use this as our standard, and act under the grace of the Lord, we shall be in perfect harmony with His will! Jam 1:27: Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. (NIV) IO | Perhapes it is the Gray areas we are to exercise additional IO | sources of information, like outside counsel, personal IO | experience, researching the matter, parents, ect. Would you IO | say this is the God given choice that each of us has a IO | responcibily to use. >>> Continued to next message --- RAMail 3.0 * Origin: Cognitive ReGeneration : theMod's Place : Oly, WA (77:1/0) =========================================================================== BBS: THE CRYSTAL MOUNTAIN BBS Date: 11-19-91 (05:13) Number: 2078 From: TOMAS HOOD Refer#: NONE To: IVAN O'NEILL Recvd: NO Subj: Obediance 4/4 Conf: (152) ICDM:Dscpl --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Continued from previous message I would say that if anyone lacks wisdom, let him ask of God. The prayers of a righteous man avails much. In other words, I believe that in our personal, close relationship with the Father, we have all the resources needed to answer the questions we have need to solve. We have all the resources needed to lead a holy live. We simply must "abide in Christ and Christ will abide in us." Do not look to the wisdom of the world, for Christ uses the foolish things. In Him we have our being. This is the beautiful thing: we can come boldy before the Father and talk direct with Him. And He hears us. And, as a Father tends to do, He answers and gives us all we need and more. Praise be to Him! IO | The ability to access these resources would limit us in IO | making a correct discision to obey. What do you think? Again, we have one Father. We have the perfect High Priest: Heb 3:1: Therefore, holy brothers, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, the apostle and high priest whom we confess. (NIV) Heb 4:15: For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet was without sin. (NIV) Heb 7:11: If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come- - one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? (NIV) Let's turn to Christ, in our prayer closet, in the depths of our hearts, and come to know Him intimately and learn His voice. He will not leave us stranded and confused. He is a shepherd, we His sheep! Meditate on Him! IO | I too get tired of subjective opionated understanding. I IO | think you said it well, we are the source of the problem not IO | the Word of God. Remove the bias from our thinking and IO | approach his Word in Humility. Modify the thinking process IO | according to Scriptural Principles and modify behavior and IO | the Christ like life becomes evident. what do you think? Renew your mind with the Word of God. Be transformed into the Image of Christ. Be holy. These are the mandates of scripture. "You become what you eat." Taste and see that the Lord is good. Wisdom is a good food. Feed on His Word, let it take root in your heart, and draw close to Him. IO | James 1:5 is a good verse to adopt with surprising results. IO | May god bless you wisdom, Tomas. And may Christ talk about you with great love to the Father. And may the Holy Spirit give you comfort and understanding. Again, draw close to Him, and He will draw close to you. Be encouraged, dear brother! I love you in Christ. 1 Pet 2:25: For you were like sheep going astray, but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls. (NIV) ................................................................... I think I will hit the hay for a few hours and get some sleep. write back! in Him, Tomas Hood --- RAMail 3.0 * Origin: Cognitive ReGeneration : theMod's Place : Oly, WA (77:1/0) =========================================================================== BBS: THE CRYSTAL MOUNTAIN BBS Date: 06-22-91 (00:13) Number: 43 From: TOMAS HOOD Refer#: NONE To: JAY MUNDY Recvd: NO Subj: Turn on turn off.... Conf: (152) ICDM:Dscpl --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello, Jay! JM | TH>To turn on and turn off spirituality is to be false. To live JM | TH>it daily as an integral part of life is to be living as a JM | TH>true disciple. JM | The problem here is twofold. One is that people JM | don't wnat to take responsibility for their own actions. This is the problem of "Cheap Grace." Costly grace demands a commitment to Christ, a dying of oneself and a rebirth into Christ. Cheap grace is an invention of the worldly church: justify the sin, not the sinner. Why would the sinner have need to be responsible for his/her actions, if the actions are justified and forgiven? A blanket forgiveness, a total washing away of all sin by the Grace of God, leaves room for the sinner to live in the world and be a part of the world. They would be no different from the world, just justified. Costly grace, however, justifies the sinner, not the sin. Therefore, the sinner is cleansed, but there is a cost: That of total surrender to Christ and a following of His every will and command. Obedience that puts into motion the Grace afforded by the blood of the Sacrifice. JM | The other problem, and probably a more insidious JM | one, is the "gospel" that is being preached today. It is the gospel of Cheap Grace. The Gospel of Costly Grace causes such things to occur as was seen worked by Christ. And even greater things than that! JM | The cares and tears would not be done away JM | with until we are with Him in heaven. Satan is a robber and a destroyer. He has ripped us off, and left us to die. The troubles of this life which cause the tears are the results of the hate he has for us, the creation of the Lord God. We have been called to go forth into a battle against such evil. To bind up the broken hearted, to heal the wounded, to proclaim the good news of new life. We wrestle against such principalities to wrest back that which satan stole. The power has been given to the disciple, the one who has obeyed the call of Costly grace, to go forth and be victorious. Thanks for the message. Write back! Tomas Hood --- * Origin: Cognitive ReGeneration:theMod's Place:206.866.3621 (77:1/0) =========================================================================== BBS: THE CRYSTAL MOUNTAIN BBS Date: 07-27-91 (16:56) Number: 287 From: TOMAS HOOD Refer#: NONE To: TONY GRILLIOT Recvd: NO Subj: Discipleship And Deat Conf: (152) ICDM:Dscpl --------------------------------------------------------------------------- TG | TH> Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to TG | TH> your earthly nature... Colossians 3:5 TG | TG | This is not too difficult to understand! We must all exercise TG | self-control in order to follow God's word but the next section... It is more than "excersising" self control, I think. The phrase "excercise self control" implies that it is something optional. When we yield to the LORD, there are things that are NOT optional... if you follow what I am saying, then you can see that it is a complete renewal of our will, our mind, our actions follow suit. The book of Romans is a true blessing in trying to understand this. You know, I am sure, that our relationship with God is powerful. He gives us EVERYTHING we need to follow Him. We must yield to Him. His yoke is easy. But, it is a yoke. The times that we resist His Lordship in our lives is the times that we fail. So, by meditating, and renewing our mind and will, we become yielded to Him: Romans 7:25 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. Romans 8:4 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Romans 12:2 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Colossians 3:9,10 9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; 10 And have put on the new [man], which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: Galatians 5:24 24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. Colossians 2:11,12 11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. Romans 6:12 12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Romans 6:22 22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. John 8:36 36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. TG | TH> Now if we died with Christ, we believe that TG | TH> we will also live with Him. Romans 6:5-8 TG | TG | I accept this by faith, but how does one latch onto this in a TG | literal sense? What may one do to accomplish this? This mostly refers to everlasting life. But, I think you are asking, How do we live a life with Him, here and now? Romans 8:13 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. Write back... let's continue this... --- RAMail 2.3 * Origin: Cognitive ReGeneration : theMod's Place : Oly, WA (77:1/0) =========================================================================== BBS: THE CRYSTAL MOUNTAIN BBS Date: 07-14-91 (06:59) Number: 85 From: KEITH HARDIN Refer#: NONE To: ALL Recvd: NO Subj: PRAYER ECHO Conf: (168) ICDM:Pray --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is a statement of the overall intent of the ICDMPRAY Echo. 1. To take prayer requests. 2. To proclaim and talk about answered Prayers. 3. To have discussions regarding Prayer. 4. To teach and discuss the various types of Prayer. A. Intercessions B. Supplications C. Prayers of Deliverance D. Praying in the Spirit E. Approaching the Throne of Grace F. Why some Prayers are not answered G. Prophecy through Prayer H. Letting the Spirit guide your Prayers I. Prayers of Thanksgiving and Praise 5. To promote a regular daily prayer life. 6. To carry on a full Prayer Ministry to all people. This would also have the future impact of having volunteers on call for on the spot personal voice Prayer when needed. 7. To teach people the Biblical way of praying by examining prayers that are in the Bible. We will hopefully get all of this done before the Rapture(SMILE) God Bless You! and thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak what the Lord has burdened me to do with a Prayer Ministry. One of the weakest areas we all share in common is our Prayer life. I want to promote you to pray and us to pray. I think that we should discuss Prayer and Praying besides taking Prayer requests and giving thanks for answered prayers. All non-Christians are encouraged to read and ask questions. No one here will make fun of you! There will be no long list of rules to follow. Jesus said that He came to fulfill the law. He made the law much simpler by reducing it to two. In short "Love God First....Secondly your neighbor". All I ask is that you let the love of God show in all that you do here and respect each other as children of the Most High. This Echo exists to glorify the Lord and that is it's only purpose. I have observed other Echos doing public disciplines and so on....Well folks not here. If discipline is needed in order to maintain our Christian standards and Ethics, then it will be in private and between you and I. Not one word will ever be said in public! I also want to thank Mr. Hood and the ICDM Network for the privilege extended to me to serve the Lord as Moderator of this Echo. Please keep me in your Prayers. You will frequently see this opening statement. It is the heart of this Echo. It will be displayed from time to time so that all callers will know what we do and what we stand for. Dear Lord Jesus, I want to ask you for your blessing for the ICDMPRAY Echo. Please use this Echo for your glory and honor. May we accomplish all that has been stated and more. Bless all who call and get involved. I want to thank you for the privilege of Prayer and the Ministry of Prayer. Thank you Lord for the deep burden for Prayer that you have placed in me several years ago. May there be many miracles worked here through Prayer and Faith, bur when all is said and done, not for our glory, but for yours Jesus. May we never be so busy that we ignore the cry of a brother or sister in need or to teach God's plan of salvation here. Now to you be the Power, the Praise, the Honor, and the Glory for ever and ever Amen- This Echo is now open to take your requests for Prayer, discussions and questions on Prayer between you and I or each other......Oh yes, My name is Keith Hardin and I am your Moderator! --- * Origin: The Kettering BBS! A Christian Based System! (77:3/0) =========================================================================== BBS: THE CRYSTAL MOUNTAIN BBS Date: 07-21-91 (19:40) Number: 225 From: KEITH HARDIN Refer#: NONE To: ALL Recvd: NO Subj: Prayer Conf: (168) ICDM:Pray --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi All, Well how are things in your life? Is everything going great for you and is our Lord blessing your life richly? Or is your life a disaster. Do you feel that any minute the walls are going to come crashing in on you? Is your life full of stress. If you are any of the two above cases, or anywhere in between, then you need to talk to the Lord about it. Praying is "simply" talking to the Lord. Jesus said that through the authority of his name, we have the right to approach the Father and the throne with our Prayers and Supplications. Did you know that we can build our Faith through Prayer. When we talk to the Lord, things start to happen. The Bible tells us that our Father knows what we need before we ask, and from the Old Testament, He will send an answer before we finish our Prayer. We say that God does not answer Prayer like He did years ago, but I tell you the truth, The Bible says God never changes. Then it must be us that have changed. One of the modern Christian's weakest attributes is Prayer. Most of us are lucky to Pray for 15 minutes or less a day. I will tell you now, that we can sit down and talk to our friends for hours at a time, yet we can not talk to God for 1 hour a day.....yet God is the best friend that we will ever have. Why not start today talking to God on a regular basis. Just reach out to him and he will reach back to you with loving kindness and understanding. When you start to Pray, you will build your Faith. You will also start to want to listen for God's voice, and you will soon see that your Prayers will be answered. Jesus was a man of much Prayer. Read about him in the Gospels and follow his example. Don't let the devil rob you of your blessings and rewards that come through Prayer. Now you also have a friend on the other side of your CRT. Bring your Prayer requests here, tell us about your answered Prayers so that we can all rejoice with you. Remember there is more power released in numbers. That's why ICDMPRAY is here, so that we can support each other in Prayer. In the future we will also be discussing Prayer, different types of Prayer, and many other areas concerning Prayer...So start praying today and let us Pray here too. May our Lord Jesus bless you richly!!!! --- * Origin: The Kettering BBS! A Christian Based System! (77:3/0) =========================================================================== BBS: THE CRYSTAL MOUNTAIN BBS Date: 08-04-91 (13:02) Number: 407 From: KEITH HARDIN Refer#: NONE To: ALL Recvd: NO Subj: THE GAME OF CHANTS Conf: (168) ICDM:Pray --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Folks, Did you know that Christians are some of the best chanters on the face of the Earth? Oh yes do we ever chant, sometimes as good as the eastern religions. What are chants? Well there are a few listed below: 1. The Lord's Prayer 2. The 91st Psalm 3. Eph. Chapter 6 4. Hail Mary Full of grace.... 5. God is Great, God is good, and we thank him for our food..... 6. Now I lay me down st sleep. I Pray the Lord my soul to keep... There is nothing wrong with repeated Prayers for a particular situation or need. But, when the meaning is lost and we are just saying words, then the prayer becomes a chant. When you approach the throne never ever just mouth words or repeat a Prayer your Aunt Bessy said because it worked for her. Before you Pray search your heart for the reasons why you are asking God for something. If it is for selfish reasons or gain, God will not honor a petition like that. There have been many times I have gone to a Prayer service and listened everyone repeat the 91st Psalm and you know they have been doing it every service for years and they all really know it by heart. If you listen they all sound like robots with no inflection. hen you will go to others and even though they have said it for years, it sounds like the first time. Which one do you think God will honor? If it no longer has any meaning, folks, then why Pray or say it???? Because we are creatures of security..and there is security in repetition, especially when you do not know what else to do. But when we have God's Holy Spirit in us we really do not have an excuse for chanting. There is nothing wrong with Praying someone else's Prayer if your motives are sincere and the Prayer has meaning to you. I have a book of Prayers that I read from time to time and I am Blessed by them. But i will not use one if I keep repeating it until the meaning is gone or I am just saying it because I think it will work because my motives are not sincere. Please don't play the game of chants with God, because you will be wasting his time and your's. Instead Pray from your heart and let his sweet Spirit take control. If you are Spirit Filled then Pray in the Spirit. Paul says that His Spirit knows our needs and knows how to Pray for them in groanings that we can not understand. Check Paul's message out in the Book of Romans. If you stutter or mess up, God does not care, because he knows your heart. Ask a friend to Pray with you. See there are all kinds of different things that you can do and I have just listed a few. You have another friend too...and that is me and your local BBS. Leave your Prayer request here and will Pray with you and for you!! May our Lord Jesus bless you so richly when you PRAY! --- * SLMR 2.0 * Keith Hardin-ICDMPRAY Moderator-Centerville, Ohio * Origin: The Kettering BBS! A Christian Based System! (77:3/0.0) ==========ende========== I hope that these will serve to illustrate a little of what the Net experiences. There is much more, though. Thanks again. If there is more I can answer, please ask! tomas hood ICDM P.O.Box 2196 Olympia, WA 98507-2196 1:352/777, 77:1/0


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